I'm sorry for the big essay of sorts, but I hope I made my point clear....

I'd rather do conservatism than talking progressivism.

Dude you are literally making the same argument as Leibniz which is deeply flawed. You are saying thats since god is morally perfect so everything he creates is perfect and therefore this world is completley perfect. This us unbelievebally wrong as there are many things in this world that are not perfect. "he standard that he has set for us, is utter garbage and should be thrown out just like the trash because we need to adapt to the culture." acording to this idiotic logic we should have kept slavery as god created it and why should we through out what god created? Yes god created the world but that in no way stops us from changing it. Change is a part of the world and morality evolves along with society. As for your pedophilia argument I am not saying that every single social structure must change but there are social structures with deep problems that must change.

"You are saying thats since god is morally perfect so everything he creates is perfect and therefore this world is completley perfect." Where did I even assume this?

agreed. clothes shouldn't define how masculine you are

But they do, and that's the issue

I think when it comes down to it, there are certain things that God put in place that we definitely shouldn't change - things like biological sex, the nuclear family model as defined in the book of Genesis, morality as laid out by the Law of Moses and updated by the teachings of Jesus Christ (notice I said updated, not revised or replaced - Jesus came to fulfil certain parts of the old Law, which does not mean he remade it). However, things like fashion, hair color, tattoos, and colored clothing are things that we culturally place on ourselves. Now, I don't go wear dresses in public simply because of what it is connotated to. However, when a famous person like Harry Styles wears a dress, it's not aligning with the drag community as much as it is saying "why are we gendering clothes? I look good in this."

I have no personal desire to wear a dress, but that doesn't mean that men wearing dresses is inherently sinful. And yes, Jesus and the Disciples *did technically wear dresses.* I've been saying this for a while now. There is very few differences between a robe and a dress in all honesty, just like kilts are literally just skirts. If you look it up online, there really is no difference other than the term itself.

"Change is a part of the world and morality evolves along with society." It really doesn't as I just pointed out with the few paragraphs above. Your acknowledgement of this - "As for your pedophilia argument I am not saying that every single social structure must change but there are social structures with deep problems that must change." which inadvertently defeats every argument you just put forward because you're saying that some social structures must change but others shouldn't just to accommodate one certain type of person.

It *is* bad when it's representing something sinful, just like women shaving their heads was wrong at the time in which (Paul?) wrote that. It was associated with prostitution if I remember correctly; don't quote me on that.

"And yes, Jesus and the Disciples did technically wear dresses. I've been saying this for a while now. There is very few differences between a robe and a dress in all honesty, just like kilts are literally just skirts." This whole idea is on the basis of the culture, men wore robes in that culture, and men wore kilts or some would call them skirts in Scotland.

That's what I mean, lol. The culture defined what was masculine and feminine and the clothes themselves had nothing to do with it. With Harry, it's more of a challenge against culture than against masculinity I think.

Alls I'm saying, is that men should act like men, and women should act like women, and that is all in the foundation of ideological theories

Oh, definitely

In the end, wear what you want, but don't try and say it's normal or okay in any way and I'll be fine

I just feel as though a man can act like a masculine man in a traditionally masculine attire or in traditionally feminine attire, since masculinity is defined by your actions, not by what you dress like

That was my point

Just like gay marriage, I don't think it is right or moral, but I think if you and another consenting adult make that decision, then you should have that right, but your right to do that shouldn't infringe on my right to not think it is okay

But why should they act like that? How is forcing people into roles like that productive? What harm would i be causing if i were to act more feminine or wear makeup?

I think we've mistaken what is masculine and what is feminine tbh

Liking sports and enjoying barbeque aren't masculine traits, just as baking or doing arts and crafts aren't feminine traits

Well technically the way you dress is an action of you acting in a feminine or masculine way, that was my whole point lol

ah screwed that up let me fix that

Do you mean the sports thing? lol

We tend to put too much stock into what has been socially taught to us to be masculine and feminine

But the funny thing is it's not the culture anymore, so how are we masculine when it doesn't mean anything or have an objective meaning anymore?

Should we hold onto outdated beliefs purely because we have held the same beliefs for a long time? Also you said gay marriage was not moral. Im not trying to question your belifies i just want to know why you think that its not right.

Because anything that is different from the way that God intended is wrong, just like Adam and Eve eating the apple, it seems innocent, but it's a basic want for personal pleasure for the heart instead of following the way God commanded is to.

The Bible is very explicit in explaining what marriage is and what it represents and the certain roles that a wife and husband are to have over their children and each other in their marriage. Which cannot be fulfilled by a man and a man, or a woman and a woman

But according to our culture nowadays, men and women are the same so it doesn't really matter because who you love is who you love and that should be accepted. Right?

I actually agree with that

But like I said, I think they should have the right to do whatever the hell they want because this is America

As long as it doesn't infringe on my rights to be critical of them for doing it

Again morally there is no reason to adhere to old gender roles aside from what people literal thousands of years thought was "normal"

and I'm allowed to say that because I'm what the LGBTQ community loves to call someone with internalized homophobia

~~It's fun being me~~

I'm not afraid of the gays, so that term doesn't really apply to me lol

same

Morally because it's not what God intended, as I said before, God is objectively the same in everything, never changing, so therefor his morality doesn't as well. If you don't believe this, I don't think you believe in the God of the Bible, just one that seems nice to you because he changes as we do. Morally evolving in the way we do.

dang now I'm having an internal struggle about what Biblical masculinity and femininity

Sounds really nice, but sadly we can't just be whatever evil thing we want to be because of our selfish sexual desires in our impure hearts.