moral compass is strong one

> education allows you to make you own decisions and opinions
@Reedy777s not necessarily. for example, if you go and talk to college-educated or higher people, they are more heavily leaned on one-side of the spectrum compared to us here in a centrist-conservative servers

its not because when cant agree or dont know its just that we aim to profit in a different way

> @isoboto yes but there are different motivations
@Reedy777s right. so you just basically confirmed that facts and logic sometimes don't work

> @Reedy777s not necessarily. for example, if you go and talk to college-educated or higher people, they are more heavily leaned on one-side of the spectrum compared to us here in a centrist-conservative servers
@isoboto yes thats not an education then its indoctrination

> its not because when cant agree or dont know its just that we aim to profit in a different way
@Reedy777s yes. which is what i point out when i said our brain will bend backward to explain our irrational choice. the "profit" may be minimal

> @isoboto yes thats not an education then its indoctrination
@Reedy777s how can you distinguish the two? we're always under indoctrination, from one side or the other. we -- in this centrist-conservative server -- are listening to a different propaganda compared to the mainstream leftist-progressive propaganda

> moral compass is strong one
@mightytrump it can be shift, though. some people who hates war now doesn't care if they're putting biden (and basically, the war machine) back in office

@Reedy777s I'd also like to point out that my moral compass is compelling a strong response. Emotion is not the motivator but a symptom of my response

If I view something as fundamentally wrong I am going to reject it

If violates multiple beliefs of mine it provokes a stronger response

> @Reedy777s how can you distinguish the two? we're always under indoctrination, from one side or the other. we -- in this centrist-conservative server -- are listening to a different propaganda compared to the mainstream leftist-progressive propaganda
@isoboto the there definitions which do vary but and a generalization education allows you to freely choose whereas indoctrination enforces a predefined believe without question

We are listening to people who want to tell the truth and do their honest best. The other side wants to gatekeep reality and peddle divisive conspiracy theories

yes its called a dictatorship but its doomed to fail because its fundamentally flawed

dictatorship also includes an individual steering the majority of government policy and action

> @isoboto the there definitions which do vary but and a generalization education allows you to freely choose whereas indoctrination enforces a predefined believe without question
@Reedy777s yes. but i am asking how do you distinguish. you can do your own research on this, but one way communism enforces the illusion of freedom is to have manufactured disagreement. it looks like everybody disagreeing with each other but really it's not.

> We are listening to people who want to tell the truth and do their honest best. The other side wants to gatekeep reality and peddle divisive conspiracy theories
@mightytrump i definitely think there are two realities going on. And I'll also say this, "truth" is your perception. because if there is only 1 truth everybody would agree with each other. What you perceive as true, people might not see it so obvious

@isoboto Like how there are multiple fake parties within the national congress in China

> @isoboto Like how there are multiple fake parties within the national congress in China
@mightytrump yup. you're a smart cookie

> @mightytrump yup. you're a smart cookie
@isoboto my opinion its a global dictatorship fight to control the media

this goes into complex economics

and Operation Mockingbird is doing a damn good job of subverting the press

> @isoboto my opinion its a global dictatorship fight to control the media
@Reedy777s oh yeah, it's undeniable. china has everybody in its pocket. america is also in china's pocket, but trump is giving it a good fight (or attempting to, anyway)

> @Reedy777s oh yeah, it's undeniable. china has everybody in its pocket. america is also in china's pocket, but trump is giving it a good fight (or attempting to, anyway)
@isoboto so if you see this why do you think others dont

> and Operation Mockingbird is doing a damn good job of subverting the press
@mightytrump i don't know much about that. i thought that's cia controlling the press

> @isoboto so if you see this why do you think others dont
@Reedy777s because i was from Vietnam and I knew it first hand. I've met people here who laughed in my face when I talk about China's concentration camp, communism and its overreaching power

but quite clearly half of america voted trump with you

and probably 25% would have supported you and stood with you if you didnt let them play you against each other

do you understand now

China is clearly a big superpower nowadays.

@isoboto It's the CIA operation to control narratives on foreign policy, economy policy, legislating freedoms, etc in the press and media. In the mid-70s it was exposed along with the MK-Ultra program by a ballsy senator. Needless to say the CIA quietly backed away from the program when it was exposed initially, but never renounced it or announced its closing.

I think China will challenge the US (if we have two superpowers, that’d make the polarization go further)

> but quite clearly half of america voted trump with you
@Reedy777s i'm canadian. china still got 2 of our citizens and our country got called "a worthless pos that shouldn't stand in China's path" and yet our PM knelt to them

It's called hostage diplomacy

We can do just the same

If China wants

> It's called hostage diplomacy
@mightytrump yeah. but the fact that China insulted us and Canadians still think China is our friends is my biggest anger with Canada

The woes of a neo-liberal government in charge

> If China wants
@mightytrump well, the huawei's executive is extradited to US already so that's good. But the two hostages are still half-dead so

We can play the hostage game using the CIA's resources

> The woes of a neo-liberal government in charge
@mightytrump it's like having obama 2.0 up here