Hundred percent agree with you

Hey boys

But if you believe in any sort of religious freedom the only real actionable choice you have is the Republican Party. Given the 2 party system everyone gets forced into one group of the other - doesn’t mean they buy into every bullet point on the agenda

GOD SIR THAT IS FALSE, You don’t have to vote along the 2 party system and doing so is just helping the system out, Also, Libertarianism protects your rights far more effectively then Republicanism

@yeti_steamroller

I would love to support libertarianism 💯. It just has to get enough critical mass and funding. I thought it would happen after 2016 where moderates from both sides would head to the middle. The swamp is heavily invested in keeping things how they are

> But if you believe in any sort of religious freedom the only real actionable choice you have is the Republican Party. Given the 2 party system everyone gets forced into one group of the other - doesn’t mean they buy into every bullet point on the agenda
@yeti_steamroller
another blatant mischaracterization

My contention was that you, as a man of principals, care that others lead happy healthy and good lives

We live in a culture war not a political war

Politics is downstream of culture

You can be libertarian politically but that shouldn't be your defining principals

make money, everyone should do what they want as long as it doesnt "hurt" others

Those arent morals, thats how you compromise with people legislatively in a society thats as culturally diverse as america

Personally I think libertarianism is toxic and a cancer to society, but that shouldnt detract from the point I was making there

@Drift Libertarianism?? Which flavor? Seems to be shape shifting, as it became popular over a decade ago, and therefore infiltrated. Much like Dems switching to the Republican party or vice versa. You can surely try to impart your values on others, as that's been America for decades. . Just don't be surprised when others feel they can do the same. We either respect individual liberty, even if we disagree, or we accept the bondage of ever being in the ''moral'' struggle. .And here we are.

> @Drift Libertarianism?? Which flavor? Seems to be shape shifting, as it became popular over a decade ago, and therefore infiltrated. Much like Dems switching to the Republican party or vice versa. You can surely try to impart your values on others, as that's been America for decades. . Just don't be surprised when others feel they can do the same. We either respect individual liberty, even if we disagree, or we accept the bondage of ever being in the ''moral'' struggle. .And here we are.
@user_zero That is literally admitting defeat and ceding all the ground that matters to the left

thats saying, lets just not fight the good fight

Thats saying, there is no dinstinctly american culture worth fighting for

that we arent a nation with a christian heritage

were just a collection of individuals

thats how you immediately lose the culture war

The good fight is within yourself. Within myself. The mirror

it's sad your pfp is so cool

I think the issue is you cannot force your values into other people. One can only try to be their best self

who said anything about forcing

I didnt

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction

people arent a science

we dont operate under laws of nature we have free will

But 'force' is

Treeev just assumed my argument is we need to force our values on others

which isnt true at all

I mean if you aren't respecting individual liberty and disagreeing then are you not forcing values upon someone else?

how am i not respecting individual liberty

Is there some middle ground?

Not you specifically dude in general

I said it before I'll say it again

we arent fighting a political war, we are fighting a culture war

politics is downstream of culture

we need to fight to change the culture, not enact legislation to force others to follow our beliefs

but to make the culture such that our laws are a natural reflection of the people

we need to fight the good fight in the culture