me do

now from there i would say learn from zan perrion to see how to understand the need of masculinity

@not here to buy ur mabi acc2k0-0 if you are not willing to force women to behave a certain way, you have to accept that they may act in a way that opposes your values

and femininity

well yes but no

so we figure out how to get shit done. Women need to learn to manipulate to get their needs met.

they do it

already

lol

that's my point. It's a biological imperitive

@Lilu yes the dynamics of those who have power vs this who do not, the strong impose, the weak manipulate, that explains men and women dynamics perfectly

you are trying to make a deal with the devil. You are trying to rationalize your way out of what is.

@Flame of truth Eros
i don't believe in force, but rather focus on teaching understanding.

will it work with woman? can a woman truly understand something?
who knows.

maybe i'll find a unicorn who can 😛

@Flame of truth Eros it's not just strong and weak. It's able versus inable.

@Lilu that Latin word for power means to be able to

There's nothing wrong with women. The reason not to get married in the west has to do with western law and western culture not women.

@Lilu
pretty much.

weak men, create bad times.
and weak men were let into positions of power.

it needs to be changed.

@HotNoob so by talking to women, what do you believe will be achieved by this, and have seen success in such endeavors?

@Flame of truth Eros
there has been some success.

@HotNoob explain

@not here to buy ur mabi acc2k0-0 there is the point that on average men won't have kids unless some societal force matches up men and women. Today no such force exists in the west and therefore most men will need to learn to find a reason to live that does not include a moist hole. MGTOW is a path to finding your own value.

@Flame of truth Eros
never mind. no success, just only feels to be progress.

i thought i had made progress with my mother, but i guess not.

i donno

If the MGTOW path is not for you that's fine. Someone has to bring about the next generation. But you are kidding yourself if you believe in NAWALT.

one creates a society that perceives one or the other as a special,and superior falsely and the other as a slave, in our case we are slaving to uphold a system that modern women are ungrateful for, there cant be equality until women colonize a planet for themselves, were already better at that but back to my point all you have to do is tell an entire genderthey are invinsible and valueabe which is what we did to women and there you go, women free themselves from home where they raised kids

understanding never works. have to take something away from them until they learn that you're serious

now theyre unhappy

@Lilu with the invention of contraception, taking away a majority of accidental pregnancy, or spontaneous passion pregnancies, you’d either have to have strong morals or a strong religious belief to have children imo

@HotNoob I see

society does not have to be based on slaves.
that is tyranny.

we live in tyranny right now.

imo?

@Guayabaman in my opionion

dang

the spelling errors

@not here to buy ur mabi acc2k0-0 ok but what would your Soviet be like?

mm

@Flame of truth Eros I'm not trying to talk anyone into having kids. I'm just saying MGTOW isn't for everyone. If you want to ask me a good way to have kids, well I have no idea. My path does not lie in that direction.

Society*

@Lilu

What is mgtow?