Message from @Lukario
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No. But troll... 😈
> Profit is the extraction of excess labor value from the worker: they are then paid a percentage of what their labor is worth in a wage. A capitalist will always pay you for your labor for less than what it’s worth
@Dragoncrash
But by offering the job in the first place, they make your labor worth more than it would have otherwise been worth.
@Kaladin I'm tryna get some answers hold on
He lost his train of thought
You all agreed?
> @Dragoncrash
> But by offering the job in the first place, they make your labor worth more than it would have otherwise been worth.
@Arkayde No, they simply own the means of production.
@Bear so I can slap him with some cold hard facts
As a farmer, I can grow a lot more wheat with a tractor and combine than I can with a hoe and scythe. That's the added value of capital.
> @Arkayde No, they simply own the means of production.
@Dragoncrash except they don’t
No but they do
Risk is not labor
Labor is what creates value
This is ridiculous man I'm fuckin rollin
This is known as the labor theory of value
First conceived of by Adam Smith
Risk is risk. When the business goes bankrupt, how much do you pay?
And expounded upon by Marx
The ceos have the liability to when it goes bankrupt
So they, in return, get more money
@Lukario chill with the memes. They aren’t adding anything to this conversation. Let’s try to actually have a conversation.
ok i'll stop
i'll try to reason with the brainlet
I don't think this conversation is going anywhere
Explain to me why Capitalism has worked for so long than dragon. It's why the U S of fuckin A is the best country in the world and we have the best economy even in this pandemic. @Dragoncrash
I think it is more important to have a civil debate than just make fun of @Dragoncrash
ik but
it's fun to make fun of a little
I don’t understand why I’m being continually strawmanned and called a troll
the capital vs labor conversation always goes in circles because each is dependant on the other.
Communism memes are only funny of everybody gets them B)
What’s going on here?
I’ve been engaging in good faith discussion this entire time ._.
because a libertarian socialist doesn't exist? unless you mean anarcho socialism in which that is completely braindead
I've been asking questions
It's effectively the chicken or the egg argument.
> because a libertarian socialist doesn't exist? unless you mean anarcho socialism in which that is completely braindead
@Lukario anarcho socialism isn’t really a thing
Unless you mean anachro syndicalism