Few good guys can be compensated for greater peace,prosperity and well being of a nation

People aren't statistics

A country built on lies. Is bound to collapse

There is no lie here though

Sometimes a particular community intentionally harms the nation either for their own gain or for not being the most influential power there

If you do not address such communities, your nation crumbles

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I dedicated a document for explaining this but I will explain here as well. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N6pY0jfOXXJCag_jWtJMlmcC_SMUAlGIWdP63igX1zg/edit First of all, we currently have versions of the bible such as the king james bible and revised standard version and new international version. There are not just translations, these are versions. The truth is even after many centuries, christians are still making changes to the bible. This is supposed to be correcting mistakes and interpolations that happened in between, by going back to the earliest copies. So what happened in between? If the bible really was preserved properly, then all the bibles throughout history and currently should perfectly match what the earliest copies mention. However that’s not all, Christians don’t even agree on which parts are supposed to be included in the bible or not. So now the best case scenario for a christian is to figure out which books are correct (it’s easy to see the protestants are wrong) and then find the most accurate translation which matches the earliest copies (which is still flawed and vulnerable to interpolations until earlier copies are found). That’s not all, still there’s a major issue that cannot be reconciled even if the bible is preserved… it’s why should we believe what the authors wrote to be true? We don’t even know who the author is for the book of John.

In islam, the original scriptures of the torah and zabur (psalms) and injeel (the modern equivalent is the new testament) are considered the words of god in islam which came directly from the prophets. Looking at the quran, it’s literally all transmitted from our prophet Mohammed. He spoke all of it and his followers recorded it and compiled it according to his instructions. A lot is known about exactly how this happened. However, Jesus never told anyone to create something and call it the “new testament” with that specific combination of books did he? 13 of the books of the new testament (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Colossians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy and Titus) are written by this guy called Paul. This happened after Jesus died. As muslims we’re justified to believe that the entire quran is considered the word of god according to our religion. Christians give these books an unjustifiable amount of faith, and they try to use them as some sort of basis for the trinity and their beliefs on salvation. Why should we, as muslims, take this seriously? We have the correct religion which has proper historical preservation and it is a clear truth to us that Mohammed is a true prophet who got the message from the one god because there are many proofs to show for it as expected.

Quran 18:4 And to warn those who say, “God has begotten a son.” 18:5 They have no knowledge of this, nor did their forefathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths. They say nothing but a lie.

No one fucking cares

then stop telling us to convert to christianity lol .. wait you're not even christian. anyways mind your own business do something productive.

yes, islam solves this by making it simple

because arabs dont have big enough brain to understand anything more complex then that god gave it to mohammed

racist.

no, you dont have to go back to early texts to determine your bible. determine which church is true successor to jesus, see what they say

yeah and? whats it to you?

you like racism?

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yes

cool.

lol.

I dont know much about islam

but from what i understand, you claim the jews made a fake old testament

and that allah gave mohammed the real one

this is less genuine then in Christianity, which continues the true tradition

you only need one reason to dislike islam

islam itself doesn't make specific claims, but islam only trusts that the quran is 100% preserved. for the rest of the books we're skeptical that they really are the same as the original given to moses and jesus (peace be upon them). so muslims try to figure out what happened.

kiddie didling

for example

for the quran the history is quite clear since it was only 1400 years ago and we have manuscripts today etc.

you have different version of exodus and genesis

whereas Christianity took it from the israelites

the quran isn't supposed to be like the past scriptures it's just a new revelation and it is sufficient by itself for us to follow.

not entirely

you guys remade some of the old testament

claiming the one jews and Christians have is false

we didn't make it, the prophet didn't make it either, it's the word of god. or according to non-muslims the word of our prophet.

Thats every community, that's the basic instinct of tribalism that humanity has. It's a fact that Hitler punishes Catholics also along with Jews. What was the need for that? If he really beilived Jews were responsible for every problem. This is how politics works. In fact that's why we have vote bank politics.

Yes, and the only way to do that, is to make them part of the whole, or brainwash them like USSR did to Kazakhstan. Not to deport them

There are two types of communities which readily assimilates with parent culture and other don't. Kazak are independent now so your analogy is flawed.