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Islamdoc, different topics including proving islam and authenticity of the quran and hadith https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cuQjegZSvfaeP6n6q_jeEQ8ZHA7VdTN2/view?usp=drivesdk

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> Abdulla, it's illegal to export Zamzam.
@kraftzmannℵ₀ you can get however if you’re nearby

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@kraftzmannℵ₀ sunni, i know about the quran from plenty of christian perspectives but learn more inshallah. I’m seeing recently a lot of denial that the quran is preserved but that’s addressed in my documents and a playlist if you click my profile picture you can find my channel

There are many different christians and they agree on important things but disagree on others. Some are nice like you others are hostile.

Christians and muslims we agree on almost everything but we disagree on important things (which is why it’s separate religions)

Almost 5/8 billion people believe that jesus was a prophet, while 2.7 take it a step further (jesus=god) but me and the other 2.3 billion also accept mohammed pbuh as a messenger

@kraftzmannℵ₀ i thought you were christian because you said about quran from a christian perspective, i didn’t say you can’t be a muslim. Anyone can.

I dedicated a document for explaining this but I will explain here as well. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N6pY0jfOXXJCag_jWtJMlmcC_SMUAlGIWdP63igX1zg/edit First of all, we currently have versions of the bible such as the king james bible and revised standard version and new international version. There are not just translations, these are versions. The truth is even after many centuries, christians are still making changes to the bible. This is supposed to be correcting mistakes and interpolations that happened in between, by going back to the earliest copies. So what happened in between? If the bible really was preserved properly, then all the bibles throughout history and currently should perfectly match what the earliest copies mention. However that’s not all, Christians don’t even agree on which parts are supposed to be included in the bible or not. So now the best case scenario for a christian is to figure out which books are correct (it’s easy to see the protestants are wrong) and then find the most accurate translation which matches the earliest copies (which is still flawed and vulnerable to interpolations until earlier copies are found). That’s not all, still there’s a major issue that cannot be reconciled even if the bible is preserved… it’s why should we believe what the authors wrote to be true? We don’t even know who the author is for the book of John.

In islam, the original scriptures of the torah and zabur (psalms) and injeel (the modern equivalent is the new testament) are considered the words of god in islam which came directly from the prophets. Looking at the quran, it’s literally all transmitted from our prophet Mohammed. He spoke all of it and his followers recorded it and compiled it according to his instructions. A lot is known about exactly how this happened. However, Jesus never told anyone to create something and call it the “new testament” with that specific combination of books did he? 13 of the books of the new testament (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Colossians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy and Titus) are written by this guy called Paul. This happened after Jesus died. As muslims we’re justified to believe that the entire quran is considered the word of god according to our religion. Christians give these books an unjustifiable amount of faith, and they try to use them as some sort of basis for the trinity and their beliefs on salvation. Why should we, as muslims, take this seriously? We have the correct religion which has proper historical preservation and it is a clear truth to us that Mohammed is a true prophet who got the message from the one god because there are many proofs to show for it as expected.

Quran 18:4 And to warn those who say, “God has begotten a son.” 18:5 They have no knowledge of this, nor did their forefathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths. They say nothing but a lie.

then stop telling us to convert to christianity lol .. wait you're not even christian. anyways mind your own business do something productive.

racist.

you like racism?

cool.

lol.

islam itself doesn't make specific claims, but islam only trusts that the quran is 100% preserved. for the rest of the books we're skeptical that they really are the same as the original given to moses and jesus (peace be upon them). so muslims try to figure out what happened.

for the quran the history is quite clear since it was only 1400 years ago and we have manuscripts today etc.

the quran isn't supposed to be like the past scriptures it's just a new revelation and it is sufficient by itself for us to follow.

we didn't make it, the prophet didn't make it either, it's the word of god. or according to non-muslims the word of our prophet.