heck even now that i think about it, there's an interesting episode in book of Acts where Peter and John are being ruthlessly interrogated by the Pharisees, and even beaten, and the Pharisees take note that John and Peter are very low ranked in the worldly kingdom, which to a degree baffles them that they have so much knowledge of God and the scriptures

Awesome recollection of biblical stories @Japheth I enjoyed reading it

The rich man was not spiritually sound, and he was given the opportunity to improve it.

read the stories, they're better than i can put them, i'm jsut paraphrasing off the top of my head, so it's always best to check it against the book

i find the chapters for you

Mark 1 = Calling of the disciples, notably John and Peter. Luke 18 = Young Rich Man, the Camel and the Eye of the Needle. Acts 4 = John and Peter appear before the Sanhedrin (Acts 3 chapter before this details that they healed a man, for which they are sent to trial by the priests in Acts 4)

do you guys have the bible bot

Mark 1

oh i guess not

did anyone find an answer to the rank thing?

wow really great stuff in Mark 1

Mark 1:14-18
```<14> Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, <15> And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. <16> Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. <17> And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men. <18> And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him. ```

yea that's the chapter, and when he calls John and James they leave their father Zebedee even still in the boat!

that always kinda made me laugh

just to imagine in my head like the two brothers on a boat with their dad and Jesus show up and say come follow me and they jump out lol like I wonder what was going through ol' Zebedee's head when that happened

It doesnt mention him complaining or trying to stop them. Perhaps he could tell. Was sound himself of mind, spirit, and body.

He felt it was right.

but it realyl shows an itneresting point in terms of rank, i mean they were fisherman with their dad, very low ranked in the world, yet these would become even the upepr echelon of the kingdom of God, even Elders in the Apocalyptic Kingdom and their names will be written on New Jerusalem

Hmm i think someone who is a tradesman has a high rank in my eyes.

yea I guess I always assume Zebedee is a fairly good man, much like Peter's unnamed wife

i just think it's kinda funny like he probably wasn't mad but just imagine it was probabyl a lil funny

As far as the physical world goes, catching fish to feed the town or what have you. Very important task and trade.

They just werent so rich like the Pharisees.

Soul was not corrupted beyond repair.

yea but in the worldly kingdom that's low rank, both as profession and as like how the world ranks people

which really makes it interesting later on in the Bible then when you have John and Peter going out testifying to some of the world's highest ranked people, and even in the extra-biblical tradition they may or may not have testified to the world's top dogs of the time (Nero and Domitian)

***__Does human rank mean anything to you?__***
We are living in The caste system. We differ in skin color, preferences and living conditions. Countries and languages. The caste system is a part of the life system and you will have to do with it and treat people in one way or another in accordance with their social and tribal status. Just like people who are looking for the truth in life, my family. You cannot be in the world and not divide people according to group lines. Rank and caste are one of the manifestations of this part of life.

you really can't get much higher ranked in the world of their time than being the Emperor of Rome

hmmm idk

Id wager to you that the tax collector was of lower rank then the fisherman @Japheth to just the average villager

at the time

jesus took them both of course and cleansed their spirit

no the tax collector, which itnerestingly Matthew if i remember correctly was one, would be higher ranked in teh world, they'd have a better profession, be closer to the seats of worldly power, etc.

Idk i think i remember it saying in the bible that the tax collector was one of the most disliked. wonder if i can find the verse. i might be mistaken

oh yea tax colelctors are always hated in history, but they stil lrank in the world

The tax collector was of higher rank to the Pharisees for example. Because he collected their money.

i mean shit politicians are the same

To me personally, all things go into a persons rank in my eyes.

Like I said the 3 dimensions. Body, mind, and spirit.

But to others not so much.

well no in their time the Pharisees and Sadducees would be actually be the highest worldly authority in Judeaea, only the puppetk ing Herod and the Roman officials are higher, which gets itneresting in the curcifixion of Jesus as the jewish priests defer to first pupept Herod and then to Pilate, even screaming out that they have no king but Caesar