Message from @realz

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2020-11-12 15:47:19 UTC  

They are almost always arrested regardless

2020-11-12 15:47:22 UTC  

Sure

2020-11-12 15:47:55 UTC  

Good attorneys see cases where their clients, usually important clients used to sweet talking, have tried to talk their way out, and have in fact talked their way in.

2020-11-12 15:48:04 UTC  

Therefore, their position is "shut up".

2020-11-12 15:48:36 UTC  

Now, if I had mr Gruler esq to represent me, and a legal team of experts behind him, that sounds like good advice.

2020-11-12 15:49:07 UTC  

But if all I can afford is some grade D public defender, then I am pretty much at the mercy of the police investigation.

2020-11-12 15:49:17 UTC  

The grade D public defenders rarely give speeches.

2020-11-12 15:50:26 UTC  

I see this time and time again, that evidence is lost because police did not look in the right direction. Sometimes because they are incompetent. Sometimes because they jump to conclusions and some times because the suspected failed to cooperate.

2020-11-12 15:50:55 UTC  

Ok well you have sufficiently confused me to the point that I can no longer take a position

2020-11-12 15:50:58 UTC  

So you have no forensic investigation of the wife. Noone bothered to process her.

2020-11-12 15:51:22 UTC  

Maybe his blood was under her nails?

2020-11-12 15:51:25 UTC  

(that's my way of conceding)

2020-11-12 15:52:24 UTC  

That would have been what I needed to say to the court that in combination of scratches on his cheek it is more probable a result of her attack than something he did in his cell, as the prosecutor claims.

2020-11-12 15:52:55 UTC  

I am not giving legal advice. I am just communicating that to me, dabbling sometimes in forensics, it seems more complicated.

2020-11-12 15:53:59 UTC  

yea i can't attempt to give a counterpoint when i'm not sure what you're saying

2020-11-12 15:54:51 UTC  

I am saying, by not cooperating with police you are doing a good job at blocking them from investigating you. Which you want.

2020-11-12 15:55:09 UTC  

But you might also be doing a good job at blocking them from investigating someone else. Which you dont want.

2020-11-12 15:55:59 UTC  

Brancas book has a list of things

2020-11-12 15:56:13 UTC  

In a world where you have good representation, and a functional legal system, that may not be problem, as your council will eat the prosecutor for breakfast.

2020-11-12 15:56:32 UTC  

In a less optimal world, the answer is less crisp.

2020-11-12 15:56:38 UTC  

IIRC so does ayoob's book (he mentions the list in the video)

2020-11-12 15:57:02 UTC  

But yes obviously not having a good lawyer can just complicate everything

2020-11-12 15:57:20 UTC  

And not pointing out evidence can also complicate things regardless

2020-11-12 15:57:36 UTC  

actual case:

2020-11-12 15:57:42 UTC  

she says: "he hit me!"

2020-11-12 15:57:43 UTC  

But verbal diarrhea is a thing

2020-11-12 15:57:47 UTC  

he knows he didnt.

2020-11-12 15:58:01 UTC  

she says to the cops: "I took photos. I will send them."

2020-11-12 15:58:08 UTC  

dumb cop says: "great!"

2020-11-12 15:58:11 UTC  

It is impossible for me to measure the rates of verbal diarrhea versus this sort of situation

2020-11-12 15:58:28 UTC  

he says: "I will not speak until I have representation"

2020-11-12 15:58:48 UTC  

court says 9 months later: "the only evidence we have are these photos"

2020-11-12 15:58:55 UTC  

Ok well

2020-11-12 15:59:03 UTC  

I challenge you then to

2020-11-12 15:59:12 UTC  

Find a short catchy sentence

2020-11-12 15:59:20 UTC  

Which encapsulates what you just said

2020-11-12 15:59:23 UTC  

I did.

2020-11-12 15:59:32 UTC  

"If you represent yourself, your client is an idiot"

2020-11-12 15:59:44 UTC  

lol

2020-11-12 16:00:00 UTC  

But that doesn't really get the message across

2020-11-12 16:00:20 UTC  

It doesn't stop verbal diarrhea without also ensuring evidence is collected