Message from @Massie1223

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2020-12-14 13:47:51 UTC  

@Maw How does the american law-hierarchy work?

2020-12-14 13:48:46 UTC  

in this case I mean.

2020-12-14 13:49:23 UTC  

According to the "child law" you just quoted a 17-y-o. cant have a firearm. According to the...what was it...hunting laws, he/she can.

2020-12-14 13:50:22 UTC  

as the first one does not have the exceptions of the latter written into it (which is the norm here), is that solved by hierarchy?

2020-12-14 13:50:53 UTC  

or context?

2020-12-14 14:09:20 UTC  

the statute has different sections, one is for hunting , the other is for possession or control of a firearm, in any case 16-17yr olds are totally omitted from the statute

2020-12-14 14:10:10 UTC  

nope. different laws.

2020-12-14 14:11:20 UTC  

or....you call it "chapters" I think.

2020-12-14 14:12:09 UTC  

the law in Wisconsin is you can possess a rifle or shotgun (not a SBS), if you are 16+, 14-16 if you have passed hunters safety, thats the training requirement for CCW here also

2020-12-14 14:12:15 UTC  

sub-sections

2020-12-14 14:12:21 UTC  

@Ghostdog not my question

2020-12-14 14:12:43 UTC  

I was asking about the hierarchy of Wisconsin law. How it operates.

2020-12-14 14:13:06 UTC  

its done by omission

2020-12-14 14:13:13 UTC  

that makes no sense.

2020-12-14 14:13:32 UTC  

compare the 2 subsections

2020-12-14 14:13:36 UTC  

you cant have a hierarchy by omission. You can have it by law or by presedense.

2020-12-14 14:13:43 UTC  

@Ghostdog are you a lawyer?

2020-12-14 14:14:00 UTC  

Why is everyone fixated on Rittenhouse? Is everyone scared to defend Freedom? Is everyone scared of dying on the front lines of defending Democracy? And, I'm not referring to being violent I'm referring to protesting strong and refusing to accept what is going on in The Country that every goddamn being on the planet wants to come to and of which many have

2020-12-14 14:14:06 UTC  

i wasnt referring to hierarchy

2020-12-14 14:14:14 UTC  

@Massie1223 I am not, I am here to learn law.

2020-12-14 14:14:57 UTC  

no im a firearms instructor thats lived in Wisconsin for 40 years

2020-12-14 14:14:58 UTC  

And Rittenhouse is an interesting case. I am not here not learn anyones opinion, with the exception of professionals.

2020-12-14 14:15:43 UTC  

And there was me thinking you were fond of my opinion at times @Doc

2020-12-14 14:16:11 UTC  

@Beth I am! But we all regard you as special. Every rule has an exception. 😄

2020-12-14 14:17:25 UTC  

😄 Good answer @Doc 😉

2020-12-14 14:23:23 UTC  

thats fairly accurate,....

2020-12-14 14:23:55 UTC  

Defenses to prosecution under this statute:

Target practice under the supervision of an adult
Members of armed forces or police under 18 in the line of duty
Hunting (either with an adult or having passed hunter's safety)
The minor was 16 years of age or older, not in violation of laws on short-barreled rifles or shotguns, and was in compliance with regulations on hunting, if hunting

2020-12-14 14:25:06 UTC  

a key part is the last if you are hunting, the law isnt just for hunting like some seem to think, the silly Kenosha DA said that, and they are just parroting him

2020-12-14 14:27:45 UTC  

also if you are age 14-16 you can possess a rifle or shotgun, but only if you have taken hunters safety, hunters safety is a training requirement for CCW here also

2020-12-14 14:29:03 UTC  

thats probably why some conflate it with just hunting

2020-12-14 14:32:40 UTC  

Came across this video last night and finally watched it earlier this morning. A pretty solid breakdown of the chain of events with some extra background information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3IaFV_l2-k&bpctr=1607953168

2020-12-14 14:34:00 UTC  

yeah ive watched many, pretty clear self defense imo

2020-12-14 14:35:23 UTC  

oh wow a lefty Bernie voter, should be interesting

2020-12-14 14:36:33 UTC  

He has some bias in the text in the vide between clips, some assumptions, and some bias that's easily noticeable, but I believe he was pretty fair and even-up in his breakdown.

2020-12-14 14:36:33 UTC  

@DeathRhodes666, you just advanced to level 5!

2020-12-14 14:37:14 UTC  

thanks for sharing it

2020-12-14 14:37:59 UTC  

No problem 🙂