Message from @Doc

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2020-12-14 12:30:10 UTC  

Sort of done arguing this though.

2020-12-14 12:30:36 UTC  

I am 98% sure that charge is valid and it may stick. But given that I think the murder charges will drop, they will likely drop the misdemeanor anyway.

2020-12-14 12:30:49 UTC  

Bro

2020-12-14 12:30:55 UTC  

it's about hunting.

2020-12-14 12:31:15 UTC  

It's in the context of hunting.

2020-12-14 12:31:21 UTC  

its not a crime to possess a rifle or shotgun age 16+ in Wisconsin, its not about hunting

2020-12-14 12:31:25 UTC  

There are other hunting rules and regulations for the general populace.

2020-12-14 12:31:54 UTC  

It's 100% about hunting, good luck taking that defense to court where it's proven to fail multiple times already.

2020-12-14 12:31:56 UTC  

the law omits 16-17 year olds anyways lol

2020-12-14 12:32:13 UTC  

show me caselaw, u wont find it

2020-12-14 12:33:43 UTC  

they use to give people here disorderly conducts for open carrying, before we had CCW, a charge does not make it a crime

2020-12-14 12:39:05 UTC  

Again, we'll see. :)

2020-12-14 12:41:00 UTC  

i know gun laws, we will see if he gets convicted for murder, i doubt it

2020-12-14 12:41:43 UTC  

pretty clear self defense, but if he was violating curfew it could become an issue idk

2020-12-14 12:42:21 UTC  

Again, don't think he'll get convicted of murder, and they will likely drop all charges if his murder charges are dismissed.

2020-12-14 12:43:29 UTC  

the only thing he was doing that was illegal was a curfew violation.. some said he had permission to be at the business but idk about that

2020-12-14 12:44:33 UTC  

im not on the jury but it sure looked like self defense

2020-12-14 13:47:51 UTC  

@Maw How does the american law-hierarchy work?

2020-12-14 13:48:46 UTC  

in this case I mean.

2020-12-14 13:49:23 UTC  

According to the "child law" you just quoted a 17-y-o. cant have a firearm. According to the...what was it...hunting laws, he/she can.

2020-12-14 13:50:22 UTC  

as the first one does not have the exceptions of the latter written into it (which is the norm here), is that solved by hierarchy?

2020-12-14 13:50:53 UTC  

or context?

2020-12-14 14:09:20 UTC  

the statute has different sections, one is for hunting , the other is for possession or control of a firearm, in any case 16-17yr olds are totally omitted from the statute

2020-12-14 14:10:10 UTC  

nope. different laws.

2020-12-14 14:11:20 UTC  

or....you call it "chapters" I think.

2020-12-14 14:12:09 UTC  

the law in Wisconsin is you can possess a rifle or shotgun (not a SBS), if you are 16+, 14-16 if you have passed hunters safety, thats the training requirement for CCW here also

2020-12-14 14:12:15 UTC  

sub-sections

2020-12-14 14:12:21 UTC  

@Ghostdog not my question

2020-12-14 14:12:43 UTC  

I was asking about the hierarchy of Wisconsin law. How it operates.

2020-12-14 14:13:06 UTC  

its done by omission

2020-12-14 14:13:13 UTC  

that makes no sense.

2020-12-14 14:13:32 UTC  

compare the 2 subsections

2020-12-14 14:13:36 UTC  

you cant have a hierarchy by omission. You can have it by law or by presedense.

2020-12-14 14:13:43 UTC  

@Ghostdog are you a lawyer?

2020-12-14 14:14:00 UTC  

Why is everyone fixated on Rittenhouse? Is everyone scared to defend Freedom? Is everyone scared of dying on the front lines of defending Democracy? And, I'm not referring to being violent I'm referring to protesting strong and refusing to accept what is going on in The Country that every goddamn being on the planet wants to come to and of which many have

2020-12-14 14:14:06 UTC  

i wasnt referring to hierarchy

2020-12-14 14:14:14 UTC  

@Massie1223 I am not, I am here to learn law.

2020-12-14 14:14:57 UTC  

no im a firearms instructor thats lived in Wisconsin for 40 years