Message from @Ghostdog

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2020-12-14 12:26:09 UTC  

u can have ur opinion, but the law is clearly written, albeit a bit confusing for the average person

2020-12-14 12:27:15 UTC  

My dude, I study law all the time. The argument from the prosecutor makes lots more sense.

2020-12-14 12:27:41 UTC  

29.304 literally says... Restrictions on possession or control of a firearm, its not just for hunting

2020-12-14 12:28:21 UTC  

Ah yes, we ignore the bits about it being about hunting and target practice.

2020-12-14 12:28:33 UTC  

The mental pretzel in the works.

2020-12-14 12:28:46 UTC  

Discord is dying at the moment.

2020-12-14 12:28:52 UTC  

its also for that sure, but the law is clearly written

2020-12-14 12:29:19 UTC  

It's literally for that specifically. lol

2020-12-14 12:29:43 UTC  

It states it numerous times in the statute.

2020-12-14 12:30:10 UTC  

29.304  Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age. nothing there even for 16 and 17 year olds, the whole law doesnt even apply to those over 16

2020-12-14 12:30:10 UTC  

Sort of done arguing this though.

2020-12-14 12:30:36 UTC  

I am 98% sure that charge is valid and it may stick. But given that I think the murder charges will drop, they will likely drop the misdemeanor anyway.

2020-12-14 12:30:49 UTC  

Bro

2020-12-14 12:30:55 UTC  

it's about hunting.

2020-12-14 12:31:15 UTC  

It's in the context of hunting.

2020-12-14 12:31:21 UTC  

its not a crime to possess a rifle or shotgun age 16+ in Wisconsin, its not about hunting

2020-12-14 12:31:25 UTC  

There are other hunting rules and regulations for the general populace.

2020-12-14 12:31:54 UTC  

It's 100% about hunting, good luck taking that defense to court where it's proven to fail multiple times already.

2020-12-14 12:31:56 UTC  

the law omits 16-17 year olds anyways lol

2020-12-14 12:32:13 UTC  

show me caselaw, u wont find it

2020-12-14 12:33:43 UTC  

they use to give people here disorderly conducts for open carrying, before we had CCW, a charge does not make it a crime

2020-12-14 12:39:05 UTC  

Again, we'll see. :)

2020-12-14 12:41:00 UTC  

i know gun laws, we will see if he gets convicted for murder, i doubt it

2020-12-14 12:41:43 UTC  

pretty clear self defense, but if he was violating curfew it could become an issue idk

2020-12-14 12:42:21 UTC  

Again, don't think he'll get convicted of murder, and they will likely drop all charges if his murder charges are dismissed.

2020-12-14 12:43:29 UTC  

the only thing he was doing that was illegal was a curfew violation.. some said he had permission to be at the business but idk about that

2020-12-14 12:44:33 UTC  

im not on the jury but it sure looked like self defense

2020-12-14 13:47:51 UTC  

@Maw How does the american law-hierarchy work?

2020-12-14 13:48:46 UTC  

in this case I mean.

2020-12-14 13:49:23 UTC  

According to the "child law" you just quoted a 17-y-o. cant have a firearm. According to the...what was it...hunting laws, he/she can.

2020-12-14 13:50:22 UTC  

as the first one does not have the exceptions of the latter written into it (which is the norm here), is that solved by hierarchy?

2020-12-14 13:50:53 UTC  

or context?

2020-12-14 14:09:20 UTC  

the statute has different sections, one is for hunting , the other is for possession or control of a firearm, in any case 16-17yr olds are totally omitted from the statute

2020-12-14 14:10:10 UTC  

nope. different laws.

2020-12-14 14:11:20 UTC  

or....you call it "chapters" I think.

2020-12-14 14:12:09 UTC  

the law in Wisconsin is you can possess a rifle or shotgun (not a SBS), if you are 16+, 14-16 if you have passed hunters safety, thats the training requirement for CCW here also

2020-12-14 14:12:15 UTC  

sub-sections

2020-12-14 14:12:21 UTC  

@Ghostdog not my question

2020-12-14 14:12:43 UTC  

I was asking about the hierarchy of Wisconsin law. How it operates.

2020-12-14 14:13:06 UTC  

its done by omission