Message from @Maw

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2020-12-14 12:19:15 UTC  

the issue is if he was violating other laws when doing it

2020-12-14 12:19:16 UTC  

I guess it's completely irrelevant law, according to your position.

2020-12-14 12:19:48 UTC  

if ur age 14 and passed hunters safety, the same training requirement we have for CCW, then u can open carry a rifle or shotgun also

2020-12-14 12:20:16 UTC  

as long as its not a SBR

2020-12-14 12:20:25 UTC  

or SBS

2020-12-14 12:21:04 UTC  

after 16 you need nothing

2020-12-14 12:22:01 UTC  

Yep, pretty sure you're simply wrong on that one. We'll see though.

2020-12-14 12:22:38 UTC  

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/2/a As this would be pretty contrary to the argument you're making. Why even have this language in the bill if it's not illegal.

2020-12-14 12:23:11 UTC  

"(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

2020-12-14 12:23:15 UTC  

its done everyday around here, thats for handguns and every other "dangerous weapon"

2020-12-14 12:23:54 UTC  

theres exceptions for rifles and shotguns, unless its a SBS

2020-12-14 12:24:15 UTC  

Except that's only in context of hunting!

2020-12-14 12:24:24 UTC  

its not lol

2020-12-14 12:24:31 UTC  

There is an "or" here. Kyle was not in compliance with hunting regulations.

2020-12-14 12:24:36 UTC  

its for possession and even the legal term control

2020-12-14 12:24:37 UTC  

It literally is.

2020-12-14 12:25:56 UTC  
2020-12-14 12:26:09 UTC  

u can have ur opinion, but the law is clearly written, albeit a bit confusing for the average person

2020-12-14 12:27:15 UTC  

My dude, I study law all the time. The argument from the prosecutor makes lots more sense.

2020-12-14 12:27:41 UTC  

29.304 literally says... Restrictions on possession or control of a firearm, its not just for hunting

2020-12-14 12:28:21 UTC  

Ah yes, we ignore the bits about it being about hunting and target practice.

2020-12-14 12:28:33 UTC  

The mental pretzel in the works.

2020-12-14 12:28:46 UTC  

Discord is dying at the moment.

2020-12-14 12:28:52 UTC  

its also for that sure, but the law is clearly written

2020-12-14 12:29:19 UTC  

It's literally for that specifically. lol

2020-12-14 12:29:43 UTC  

It states it numerous times in the statute.

2020-12-14 12:30:10 UTC  

29.304  Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age. nothing there even for 16 and 17 year olds, the whole law doesnt even apply to those over 16

2020-12-14 12:30:10 UTC  

Sort of done arguing this though.

2020-12-14 12:30:36 UTC  

I am 98% sure that charge is valid and it may stick. But given that I think the murder charges will drop, they will likely drop the misdemeanor anyway.

2020-12-14 12:30:49 UTC  

Bro

2020-12-14 12:30:55 UTC  

it's about hunting.

2020-12-14 12:31:15 UTC  

It's in the context of hunting.

2020-12-14 12:31:21 UTC  

its not a crime to possess a rifle or shotgun age 16+ in Wisconsin, its not about hunting

2020-12-14 12:31:25 UTC  

There are other hunting rules and regulations for the general populace.

2020-12-14 12:31:54 UTC  

It's 100% about hunting, good luck taking that defense to court where it's proven to fail multiple times already.

2020-12-14 12:31:56 UTC  

the law omits 16-17 year olds anyways lol

2020-12-14 12:32:13 UTC  

show me caselaw, u wont find it

2020-12-14 12:33:43 UTC  

they use to give people here disorderly conducts for open carrying, before we had CCW, a charge does not make it a crime

2020-12-14 12:39:05 UTC  

Again, we'll see. :)

2020-12-14 12:41:00 UTC  

i know gun laws, we will see if he gets convicted for murder, i doubt it

2020-12-14 12:41:43 UTC  

pretty clear self defense, but if he was violating curfew it could become an issue idk