agreed

You totally abandoned the Kurds, not cool. But the rest of the world probably has better trade relations with US than before.

we ship live(d) animals overseas to have them slaughter and package them to send back to us. thats a problem.

The rest of The world doesn't need much excuse to abandon us in favor of China. They don't like instability...or derision for that matter.

an analogy that was given to me about our trade agreements was like having a shithead spoiled kid that was used to getting their way. you get fed up, take their phone away, and tell them that they cant have it back until their room is clean. they will sulk and raise hell, but bet that room gets cleaned up...

Exactly. Just like the carbon tax in koalaland. Worked out great in the end.

Except the spoiled kid has nukes

meh.

> Exactly. Just like the carbon tax in koalaland. Worked out great in the end.
@Zuluzeit
Except it was repealed 6 years ago lol

That is exactly my point, Georgia. The businesses all claimed they'd go under as a scare tactic but ended up modernizing and making themselves more efficient. No more need for carbon tax. It accomplished its mission.

And gave my state the highest energy prices in the world. Literally

Um

Not sure that's the best description of the state of our businesses but ok!

Emissions were severely curtailed. They would still be using 1950's standards, if they had no financial motive to change.

https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/carbon-tax-australia/

That's the scare tactic. Like they will just pack up and stop wanting to be successful unless they get completely free reign. It's a scam.

I'd seen the data years ago. It worked.

Yes, it costs money to not pour your waste into the environment. It's a necessary public burden. We don't have anywhere else to go.

call elon lol

Hey, it's an interesting idea. I can't say one way or the other as I haven't researched it extensively. But the state of power in Aus is pretty bad.

(that was a bad joke)

There is a lpf of idiocy and corruption all over the place though.

Energy industries are always jerking our leash. That's another tactic. Completely artificial.

Hahaha call elon

honest question zulu- what are our viable alternatives to fossil fuels, in your opinion

Wind, water, nuclear...and the next thing, if we can stop the war on science.

That doesn't mean no fossil fuels. It just means they will last longer.

i can get behind water and nuclear. i dont like wind. and have a problem with solar field arrays.

It's not an either-or scenario. That's the story that's being peddled and it's bullshit.

https://panatimes.com/woman-inside-polling-area-has-been-filling-out-blank-ballots-for-over-an-hour-and-stamping-them

I forgot to type solar. Solar is good.

We will never be able to use renewables until we have a good way to store it

Battery tech

i was headed to a show in georgia, and saw my first large scale solar project in person. i was disgusted.

That doesn't mean we can't use it. Plus that's not entirely true.

We need to get out of here. They're posting election stuff.

general chat?

The problem is that a home's demand for electricity does not necessarily occur at the same time that the sun is out. Homes, of course, need power at night and on cloudy days. Solar systems feed excess power back into the electric grid, which allows homes to draw from the grid when the sun isn't shining, but that still entails a reliance on fossil fuels. (One way to mitigate that would be for governments to build significantly more nuclear power stations, but they have been increasingly reluctant to do so in the wake of the nuclear accident in Fukushima.)

The ideal solution is a big battery that can store at least a day's worth of electricity, if not more for the winter months in colder climates. Such batteries already exist. For example, Tesla uses 60 kWh and 85 kWh batteries in its cars, enough for up to 300 miles of driving, and two to three days of power for an average U.S. household.

The trouble is that each kW of storage carries a whopping price tag of $600 for consumers. Adding a 60 kWh battery to a household solar system would tack on $36,000 to the total cost, lifting the price of 20 years of solar power to at least $47,000. That's way too much — especially considering that the battery could need to be replaced long before a solar panel's 20-year lifespan is up.

Yes, that doesn't render it useless. It's not either-or. It's an amalgamation.

Trump will win

Lol there done