but, i think it is a necessary evil that could be better regulated

If we keep forsaking our friends, China is going to eat everyone up, by their own request.

Well US is closer to Taiwan, India, Japan and Aus than ever.

...just like oil is a necessary evil which gets morphed into carte blanche.

agreed

You totally abandoned the Kurds, not cool. But the rest of the world probably has better trade relations with US than before.

we ship live(d) animals overseas to have them slaughter and package them to send back to us. thats a problem.

The rest of The world doesn't need much excuse to abandon us in favor of China. They don't like instability...or derision for that matter.

an analogy that was given to me about our trade agreements was like having a shithead spoiled kid that was used to getting their way. you get fed up, take their phone away, and tell them that they cant have it back until their room is clean. they will sulk and raise hell, but bet that room gets cleaned up...

Exactly. Just like the carbon tax in koalaland. Worked out great in the end.

Except the spoiled kid has nukes

meh.

> Exactly. Just like the carbon tax in koalaland. Worked out great in the end.
@Zuluzeit
Except it was repealed 6 years ago lol

That is exactly my point, Georgia. The businesses all claimed they'd go under as a scare tactic but ended up modernizing and making themselves more efficient. No more need for carbon tax. It accomplished its mission.

And gave my state the highest energy prices in the world. Literally

Um

Not sure that's the best description of the state of our businesses but ok!

Emissions were severely curtailed. They would still be using 1950's standards, if they had no financial motive to change.

https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/carbon-tax-australia/

That's the scare tactic. Like they will just pack up and stop wanting to be successful unless they get completely free reign. It's a scam.

I'd seen the data years ago. It worked.

Yes, it costs money to not pour your waste into the environment. It's a necessary public burden. We don't have anywhere else to go.

call elon lol

Hey, it's an interesting idea. I can't say one way or the other as I haven't researched it extensively. But the state of power in Aus is pretty bad.

(that was a bad joke)

There is a lpf of idiocy and corruption all over the place though.

Energy industries are always jerking our leash. That's another tactic. Completely artificial.

Hahaha call elon

honest question zulu- what are our viable alternatives to fossil fuels, in your opinion

Wind, water, nuclear...and the next thing, if we can stop the war on science.

That doesn't mean no fossil fuels. It just means they will last longer.

i can get behind water and nuclear. i dont like wind. and have a problem with solar field arrays.

It's not an either-or scenario. That's the story that's being peddled and it's bullshit.

https://panatimes.com/woman-inside-polling-area-has-been-filling-out-blank-ballots-for-over-an-hour-and-stamping-them

I forgot to type solar. Solar is good.

We will never be able to use renewables until we have a good way to store it

Battery tech

i was headed to a show in georgia, and saw my first large scale solar project in person. i was disgusted.

That doesn't mean we can't use it. Plus that's not entirely true.

We need to get out of here. They're posting election stuff.

general chat?