Message from @meglide

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2020-11-11 20:08:18 UTC  

that is yet another issue

2020-11-11 20:09:19 UTC  

@realz agreed, that is a separate issue than Bendfords law.

2020-11-11 20:10:13 UTC  

The reason that the first digit appears in ratios is because we have a system of numbers based in 10

2020-11-11 20:11:04 UTC  

So 1 should appear more often than other numbers. It would be different than if it was evaluating the last digit that appears.

2020-11-11 20:11:22 UTC  

I imagine that benford's law actually applies in every base

2020-11-11 20:11:26 UTC  

which is interesting

2020-11-11 20:11:31 UTC  

as for the last number!

2020-11-11 20:11:53 UTC  

watch Parker's (Stand-up Maths) video

2020-11-11 20:11:58 UTC  

the last number also has a law

2020-11-11 20:12:15 UTC  

he demonstrates that the last 2 numbers are uniformly distributed in chicago

2020-11-11 20:12:19 UTC  

except for a blip

2020-11-11 20:12:45 UTC  

there are so few trump voters in some, that with just 1,2 or 3 digits, the last 2 digits are not uniformly distributed

2020-11-11 20:12:56 UTC  

The last 2 numbers I would expect to be uniform in distribution

2020-11-11 20:13:04 UTC  

yep he runs that test

2020-11-11 20:13:12 UTC  

and they are, except for this blip I just explained

2020-11-11 20:13:20 UTC  

` there are so few trump voters in some, that with just 1,2 or 3 digits, the last 2 digits are not uniformly distributed`

2020-11-11 20:13:41 UTC  

Yeah but I am sharing that Benfords law isn’t about what’s being measured. Though what’s being measured could bias what you would expect to see.

2020-11-11 20:14:27 UTC  

you are referring back to the base

2020-11-11 20:15:30 UTC  

> https://youtu.be/CMMbZH-H4ks
@Michele411 the problem I have with this sort of thing is that there is no evidence ... it sounds like a conspiracy theory and I cannot differentiate it from something from a crazy person

2020-11-11 20:16:02 UTC  

(not saying he is a crazy person)

2020-11-11 20:18:01 UTC  

I think Benford's law may be invalidated based on what is being measured ... consider for example a particular voting precinct, the voters in that precinct are relatively fixed, most of them consistently vote one way or another and very few change from election to election

2020-11-11 20:18:49 UTC  

I agree Meglide that the base may effect the law

2020-11-11 20:18:57 UTC  

so the variation in the number of possible combination of vote outcomes is limited

2020-11-11 20:19:47 UTC  

I might just add a base switcher; my guess is that the law will hold in all bases and fail in all bases equally

2020-11-11 20:19:51 UTC  

also different regions or precincts will be strongly influenced towards one party or another

2020-11-11 20:19:54 UTC  

(except for small sigma)

2020-11-11 20:20:19 UTC  

As for whether or not it is accurate here I do not know. I think that something probably happened, but it was a conspiracy of convenience not malice. Many people probably thought it was their duty to ensure Trump not win. I, erring on the side of process, would disagree that it’s right to intervene but understand the argument. Like there are cases where I would put the outcome above the process.

2020-11-11 20:20:41 UTC  

@realz could be, I would be interested to know.

2020-11-11 20:20:42 UTC  

@realz Agreed. He is making statements that I feel is somewhat unbecoming for a higher officer.

2020-11-11 20:23:14 UTC  

Montgomery is not a....well...not an A1-source

2020-11-11 20:23:28 UTC  

its like listening to coast-to-coast

2020-11-11 20:23:29 UTC  

at 3 am

2020-11-11 20:23:39 UTC  

and there is a former officer of the military or FBI

2020-11-11 20:23:41 UTC  

indeed. I expect more from a general.

2020-11-11 20:23:43 UTC  

and he's saying he's seen the grays

2020-11-11 20:24:02 UTC  

very entertaining

2020-11-11 20:24:06 UTC  

but I don't take it seriously

2020-11-11 20:24:14 UTC  

some kind of appeal-to-authority

2020-11-11 20:24:17 UTC  

and not a very great one

2020-11-11 20:24:20 UTC  

indeed

2020-11-11 20:24:24 UTC  

which is dishonest