and they ran with it

they got blindsided by the release of the audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNkQ2nDQfc

2 hours, enjoy

> @leftingfighter33 That should be pretty easy to test even without the source code of Dominion. Feed a number of ballots with pre-determined results and confirm that the machine returns that same results. For Science!!
@True

Nope, that is called black box testing and doesn't actually guarantee that they cant do a last minute software upgradate to do whatever they want.

They could also have different operating modes and only activate them during the election.

They could also have remote access(and likely do, for updates) and simply replace the binaries during the election.

You can do whatever the hell you want when your software is closed source and you only have 3 or 4 people reviewing your pull request.

Making something opensource raises the bar because niw everyone will look at your pull requests.

I would feel less comfortable commiting shitty code to the linux kernel than to my repo at work.

Why? Because everyone is watching

Even normal third party libraries claim they do X and then do Y

Because you have no idea what they are doing in the backend

Which is why many companies just write their own in-house libraries... To stop reliance in third parties who only provide interfaces and no implementation. You have no idea what the hell they are actually doing

Same here with Dominion

is there any active evidence that dominion did anything like this?

because there is likely to be hand recounts

and you might end up looking like a fool

did I miss anything? did anyone come up with any indication that dominion did something evil aside from an all caps tweet?

> Maybe it was and still could be subject to review by qualified analysts in appropriate agencies, instead of blasting it out there for mobsourced determination. Indeed, maybe someone has thought of that already.
>
> Regardless, I'm not sure I'd ever feel like the arbiter of what is trash but especially not when I haven't seen the particular thing. That would be flagrantly irresponsible speculation.
@Zuluzeit

There is no such thing as qualified analysts, that is just a bullshit term. Anybody who can read and write code should be able to review and make sense of the code.

"Blasting it" for mobsource determination is what makes the quality of open source code higher. You will think twice before writting garbage code. Whereas at work I only have 1 or 2 people reviewing my code changes.

(I'm not against a recount, I am just puzzled by how sure you seem that dominion is up to no-good)

> and you might end up looking like a fool
@realz Thats the point, there is no way to tell because YOU CANT SEE THEIR CODE

you say this like it is the norm for companies to put their code out

it isn't

They can be sued for it

And like I said, it is the norm for a third party library to claim to do x and then do Y. Or change implementation randomly on you.

I mean

I am a SWE

I don't think that is the norm

So am I dude

Lol

and I assume there are restrictions in place for the election systems, but i haven't studied the issue

There should be no closed source software anywhere near elections.

It is the norm, I have run into issues multiple times using third party libraries. . All the way from Atheros drivers to Dicom rendering libraries for 3D volumes.

Documentation says x but it does y

Indeed, and it may not even intentionally do y

that isn't the norm

norm means it happens often for the average library

Like I said it is so fucking frustrating we often just find resources to write our own inhouse ones

just because you can list some examples doesn't make it "the norm"

but maybe this is semantics

You're either very new to software development or haven't had to deal with large enough projects yet.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1327317479597760512?s=19

IMHO I think the judge is being an activist.

Good lord. It could have been a freaking hotspot