Not anymore thank god!

I would be down at that party lol

I'm certainly not envious of what the governors have to do... They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Not a good defense at all. Unacceptable

Of course, that’s my opinion

With 38m people in the state, our hospitals could be over-run in days, if we had the infection rate of some of the states that are having a real hard time right now.

He is asking a great sacrifice, he should lead by example at least

100% - I can't remember a CA governor that people really loved... Reagan - as governor - was before my time.

And how does he get to cherry pick who gets to live or die?

I'm not sure I get the reference on the who lives or dies...

And how does he cherry picks who can be financially successful? Someone’s life works goes down the tubes-Suicide. The lady yesterday or today in who committed suicide because she couldn’t stand the thought of another lock down.

He’s playing GOD

Again. My opinions

You probably have figured out I am a data nerd.... During the first lock down, I was doing quite a bit of analysis of the CoVid data. My thinking was that this was a unique time as testing was saved for just those that were symptomatic, I figured that the data up until late June was pretty indicative of survival rates of symptomatic infected persons. During that time, and I tracked it for months, we had a fairly steady national death rate 1 in 18 persons who were symptomatic died.

Our forefathers and my ancestors made sacrifices for FREEDOM! The very freedoms that people like him try to take away so he can have more POWER and money. And while the forefathers threw together the Declaration of Independence and our constitution, we continued to add more freedoms, not take them away!

Then I started looking at other states. In MI, the death rate was 1 in 10.5.

In NY, it was 1 in 15.

It’s my right to risk my health can’t this be compared to pro-choice? It’s my body...

I mapped them all out, at the time, and it was not what the media was telling everyone, because they reported the death rate as a percentage of population, which was basically meaningless.

I think it's different. This is more akin to drunk driving.

They should not take away constitutional rights for any reason. Ever.

No excuse

Amen!

A person could argue that they should be allowed to drive while drunk, because it's their choice. It's possible they would make it home, they could have a solo accident, or they could kill someone.

Not a good analogy

We make all kinds of rules that we all abide by for the good of society - DUI, speed limits, traffic signs, seatbelts, helmets, car seats...

So if you’re scared to die. Stay home

Smoking inside

Because by that logic I could be hit by the drunk driver anyways

Not if nobody drove drunk.

People also have the right to leave this country if they don’t like it lol

Always interesting banter. But your argument would make more sense if there weren't so many low symptom or asymptomatic cases. Death rate per population is the best indicator of severity. To date there is a 99.9% survival rate for those under 70.

I think that's a misleading number, because it requires too many assumptions. The death rate is dependent on many factors, access to medical facilities, adequate medical staff, availability of PPE, availability of therapeutic treatments, etc. As the infection rate goes up, the availability of all those other resources goes down. As resources go down, the death rate goes up. The death rate is only 99.9% per the population, if the infection stays down.

This is born out in several places... El Paso, TX, North Dakota, South Dakota, and more. These were places that had managed to avoid the brunt of the disease and they are getting hit hard now.

The other consideration is that we don't know what the long-term effects are - @Repeat mentioned that the aftermath was worse than the disease. There is a lot of information coming out about CoVid being a vascular disease that could effect more than just the lungs. People are reporting many long-term symptoms that are being attributed to CoVid. I think the information is still pretty preliminary, but it's not like we know that much about it. From what I can tell is that the virus may affect different people in different ways. It has me concerned that so-called asymptomatic people might be affected in other parts of their body and not realize it yet. I hope that's not the case and don't really think it's likely, but it's possible.

You can probably tell that I have a habit of way overthinking things....

True, however but there has been almost nowhere in the US that hospital bed and equipment shortages actually occurred (Rampart hospital in NY is possibly the exception). And the the difference btn March and November is the treatment know how and availability of therapeutics. Still wise to wash, mask, but covid is less lethal than the flu if you are under 50. Places that avoided the first wave are seeing the next. The whole point was/is to flatten the curve and keep hospitals from being over run. This virus is contagious, ppl will get it, but locking down has far worse consequences than covid for the vast majority.

@KmFree, you just advanced to level 1!

I am unaware of numbers of flu deaths by age. According to the CDC website, flu deaths are basically an educated guess. They look at excess deaths that fall outside of known causes and whatever is left over is likely the flu. I have not seen flu death breakdowns by age, but I will have to look for them now.

Got to go. Work comes too early.

There is another concern... In 1918, the first wave was bad, but not that deadly. People would get very sick, but most recovered. Things moved slower back then, but by the time the disease worked its way around the planet and made it back to the US, it had mutated into a much more deadly strain. The more infections increase the chances of more mutations.