It’s just a continuum of values. There are conservatives and liberal in all countries. You have your traditional nativists driven by a deep sense of the importance of roots and traditions. It’s a very cyclical view point and IMO short sighted and an intuitive way to live. Liberals have a more cosmopolitan less nativist outlook where they incorporated seek out new ideas and better way to percent current systems. They are more out come based that looks to improve on future environments and not to keep them the same. @busillis there are actual studies on how brains of liberals and conservatives differ. What is liberal today will be conservative tomorrow.

Most of the problem is that politicians represent the interests of their wealthy donors not average people

@TaLoN132 Disney world should be like the Vatican, it’s a nice place. Miami is nice but in a fun chaotic way. The rest of Florida I’m not to keen on

@TaLoN132 The universe of discourse was expanded to include those. That's why I retracted my statement.

yes you missed the media blackout of the DNC/obama war hawking that lasted 8 years because obama would go on stage and make funny jokes and then go off stage and drone strike a wedding https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

@SPEARS I think people like you get in the way of progress and perpetuate the same problems that have existed for decades. The nativist mind set conservatives have is a huge catalyst to war.

@TaLoN132 Afghanistan was under Bush but it's not worth arguing.

LOL here is your reps doing great work for the country https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/

Which is why the south should secede

Who funded these studies?

james you must still be in high school or something

what an ignorant opinion

you have convinced yourself that i somehow effect your life, but In don't.

@SPEARS I don’t know how that goes against what I am saying in terms of conservatives leaving the union

@james j, you just advanced to level 20!

Obama did go wild with drones 😳 just sayin...

@Beth he did he became a neo lib

No argument there... I was skeptical of the need to go into Afghanistan at the time - and we find out later that they agreed to turn bin Laden over to a neutral country for trial and we declined. I never thought that Iraq was justified. I am hoping to live long enough to see a non-apocalyptic, post-war human era. One can hope...

Although he was handed a war @Beth

@busillis they were independent studies

he didnt become a neo lib, he always was, everything was lip service. they then blamed the other side for not being able to do the things they promised you james. and in doing so they propagandized you to think that people like me diminshed your standard of living

@james j I live in the rural South with my total rejection of organized religion and my love a firearms and 100% support for all drug legalization.

@TaLoN132 Good luck with that. I am not so hopeful.

“Handed a war”... not the best way to describe it 🙈

@SPEARS also most of the problems of the Middle East were perpetuates by bush senior

he has been propagandized by the media and DNC, there is no hope for him. he will not read articles that provide a different perspective. he will reject all truths

Hoping does not imply expectation...

'Inherited' is better

@Beth we were in a war before he came into office . How would you word it

i don't know how to make it any more clear to you, that as a far right wing conservative, I hate republicans more than you do

Oddly enough I don't come into contact with many people that would disagree...

Just saying

@busillis that’s not the majority. Especially historically. It’s nice to see some liberal values permeate the Deep South. Which btw I also lived in

disagree with what busillis?

@SPEARS well you keep voting for them

Not you particularly but the south in general

Now that I've cleaned the mess of coffee I spilled on my table.

Those people are all just about dead

@busillis yeah because of recent that region started getting exposed to more liberal values , less dogmatic religion influences

I don’t know how to word it but handed a war doesn’t seem the best way to justify that he went wild with drones

@TaLoN132 All you can do is make sure your kids educate their kids. Your grandchildren's children will be the next hope to turn this alt-fact-driven reality around. Anyone alive right now is along for the ride, I fear.