The problem is that most people does not seem to understand that the government must deal with conflicting interests. Group A has a valid claim that is in conflict with the valid claim of group B. How do we solve that? We do that by rules and regulations, and always then someone suggests "getting rid of all redtape" it's most often a very ignorant person that does not understand the issue at hand. And that is what trump has done, in a very tonedeath manner he's slashing regulation that is put there for a reason over time.

@Olle, you just advanced to level 5!

Voters who sat out in 2016 re-engaged in 2020. They endured the consequences of their passivity for 4 years and stepped up this time.

But this, as well as the Hillary thing, is wayyyy out of scope for the discussion at hand.

If nothing else, 2016 is evidence that the deep state sucks at what they do and we shouldn't be all that worried. Horribly failed coup imo.

They are both very competent and really crappy at the same time.

Yes, it really depends on what cognitive dissonance affords on a case by case basis, I have found.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-signature-verification-is-a-joke-heres-how-i-beat-the-system-2072456/

@leftingfighter33, you just advanced to level 8!

No, the alledged way is targeted fraud in key counties in swing states.

@leftingfighter33 I've seen that story previously

We are still talking about a couple of 100s people involved,that is massive

conspiracy to create a gigantic mess.

What experience is required to be a poll watcher?

@Zuluzeit That is what is REALLY scary. Not even is there a Deep State, but it is highly incompetent at everything!

@busillis usually dyslectic lifeguards

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/poll-watcher-qualifications.aspx

The thing is that if you look at other us elections the levels of voter fraud is very very small. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53353404

So someone would need to set up an entire new organisation for this and perpetrate this without no one spilling the beans.

This is Bond villain level.

political partisan, party loyalist, and want to be party official

And this requires a high level of absentee ballots. That this election would have a high level of absentee ballots was not known before February. So not only did they do this in secret but also in record time

Without any trace, digital or anything

And if you know anything about the modern world; it should be that we all leave traces all the time.

Perfect Storm...

@busillis, you just advanced to level 24!

I’m not an expert in organising large amounts of people but in my experience doing it quickly is not done that easy

Correct

Doing it quickly without a huge amount of communication is very very impressive, to say the least

This is a multi-country conspiracy as well.

But I guess all this communication is on either Hillary’s server or Biden’s computer

I wouldn’t mind conspiring with Venezuela if that meant going there

Did they all go there in a Kick off meeting?

That would have been nice

Hunter's laptop hard drive

Sorry

Voter fraud and election fraud are different things. Voter fraud is fraud commited by voter while election fraud is fraud committed by those who administer the election.

Kick off meeting in Joe's basement.

Most fraud claims I have seen are election fraud.

When you tamper with signature checking machines to accept ineligible ballots or manually override the machine by doing just a 1 letter check that is election fraud.

Regardless, what you are saying requires organisation on a massive scale.