A truly bittersweet gig

Or and I'm just spitballing with ideas here. You could just turn off Fox News and live your life.

@PrivateEye Imagine that massive chisma, all resting on the election of one person. Almost like a Hollywood movie, isnt it?

Fox is worse than the rest. They’re totally controlled by ratings. Totally elitist, ruling class. Spitballing ideas? In elementary school NOBODY got as many spitballs stuck on the bulletin board as I did. Fun to watch the teachers pull their hair out.

It’s not one person. It’s a regime change. The new administration is ready to take over. You will get it all.

I think its called "administration" when its the good guys. "Regime" are the bad guys.

Kinda, but no. It’s an ideological shift that is a major shift. You’ll get what you voted for. My vote disappeared when I scanned it into the election machine. I think it’s in China now, they know how to count.

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/12/03/ndaa-seeks-to-halt-troop-withdrawals-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

This short video has a few things in it that I hadn't seen yet... some things seem extremely NOT OK no matter what actually happened... https://twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1335225504899739649?s=20

So I should call them all regimes

Oh geez they put cardboard on the windows to keep the angry mob away? That's not going to work they will just huff and puff. You gotta get some good bricks.

It's not the cardboard that I hadn't seen, it was them throwing out the republican watchers, with sound, and everyone cheering when they were walking out the door. How is that allowed?

You break the rules you gots to go. Everyone in the facility is expected to follow the rules and show some decorum.

'Elections aren't secure.'

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'Belligerent conspiratards with explicit aggression who feel like it should be allowed anywhere near live ballots.'

I won't argue with you, because I didn't see what happened before or after. It just seems strange for them to say 'all republican challengers out of this room'. I'm not sure what all of them could be doing that required them to leave.

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Removal based upon Class/Title instead of Behavior is subject to Malfeasance.

Fraud (very unlikely at scale to change out come)

What I have seen ranges from all of them yelling stop the count over and over inside the building to trying to get far more observers in than legally allowed like shown in the video. Bad faith challenges, spitting, getting physical , banging on windows and doors, illegal videotaping, demanding hundreds of legal votes be thrown out. They knew the rules but Truml worked them into a frenzy.

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First you have to identify the Fraud then evaluate how much occurred. Neither of which has not been determined yet.

I'm all for good well behaved observing but you cant do that to election workers. We need a better system for setting that up.

Why do we still call it videotape when there's no tape?

Eh who knows maybe recording is more modern

I agree that people should behave. I have not seen the videos of challengers spitting, or getting physical, and if that is the case then I agree those people should have been removed from the facility. IMO the entire process from start to finish should have been video taped with sound at all polling facilities. I don't mean to the extent that you can see who people are voting for, but to the extent that you can see and hear what's going on from start to finish. I don't know if there are reasons why this isn't already a rule, maybe I am not thinking that all the way through. That would have been able to settle a lot of the problems that people are alleging, whatever side it's coming from.

@Cali La La, you just advanced to level 1!

Considering when they passed laws against it the verbiage just might not be updated

If we gathered hundreds of affidavits claiming unacceptable behavior around live ballots, would that be sufficient or would it be all lies?

Most things arent caught on video but there seems to be a clear disparity between what GOP observers are saying and what neutral not Democrat observers are saying. They were just like look only one group of people here has been told for months fraud is guaranteed and showed up to disrupt the election not observe it. We put independent folks in there to make sure the counting is good and neither sides observers act like fools. If Bernie Sanders riled up people in the way Trump did we would have seen the opposite in the primary counts 4 years ago.

The Affidavits should be enough for a Trier of Fact to have a Hearing to establish a Basis for a Trial.

Yeah. That sounds like it should be a thing.

I would think that you're innocent until proven guilty. They would have to take everyone's word, or no one's word. If those words do not match, then investigation should be done to find proof of one or the other, or both.

Bingo. I like where this is going. Started off as 'these immutable facts of observer persecution are unacceptable.'

They would have done better in court if Trumps legal team was responsible. Instead of holding up stacks of hundreds of random complaints they needed to pare them down based on susbstance and what's actually illegal and the actual process happening.

Hilary claimed for the last 4 years that Trump was illegitimate, and that side has been calling the other side all kinds of hateful nasty things since then. So, yes, this time around reps have been told there will be fraud, but there are many dems who have claimed that same thing in the past. This isn't something that just started with republicans.

Their followup process seemed to be sounds suspicious add it to the stack. Sounds legal but might rile up our supporters? Add it to the stack.

Therefore no rules at polling stations. Cuz 'The Left'.