Message from @William Dinan

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2020-12-06 22:03:26 UTC  

Think you are right

2020-12-06 22:04:14 UTC  

I think it is funny how - in the fist case, the legislature is suing Boockvar for exceeding her authority granted in Act 77 - clearly on the basis that they believed Act 77 was a valid, enforceable law - they did not question the constitutionality of Act 77 in that original case. There were competing provisions - one that said the Sec of State had the obligation to do everything possible to ensure a safe, secure, legal election. And another that said that mail-in ballots had to be received by 8PM on election day. Given the extenuating circumstances Boockvar believed that honoring her obligation allowed her to temporarily extend the mail-in ballot deadline.

In the Kelly v PA/Boockvar case, they are asserting that Act 77 is unconstitutional because it adds the no-excuse mail-in voting option, which is not specified in the PA Constitution. They are not arguing that it is unconstitutional because it changed. They are saying Act 77, as originally enacted, is unconstitutional. An assertion they did not make in the original case.

2020-12-06 22:04:54 UTC  

The federal government does go after some specific types of voter fraud

2020-12-06 22:05:18 UTC  

As well as other election related crimes.

2020-12-06 22:05:27 UTC  

@TaLoN132 Last I checked it was unconstitutional because the legislation changed via the court, and not the legislation.

2020-12-06 22:05:34 UTC  

...

2020-12-06 22:05:57 UTC  

The federal government probably won't bring charges if it costs more to litigate than what it's worth...

2020-12-06 22:06:15 UTC  

Meaning they're probably not going to go after 300 votes

2020-12-06 22:07:31 UTC  

@busillis. Example. I mailed my Ballot without signing by mistake. The Elections Clerk accepted it and counted it as a Vote in violation of State Law. The Clerk violated the State Law. The US Mail was not an Element of the Crime/Violation.

2020-12-06 22:07:32 UTC  

Until state election results are deemed illegal... There is 0

2020-12-06 22:07:39 UTC  

There is no mention of the "deadline changing issue" in the case docketed for 12/8.

2020-12-06 22:08:08 UTC  

I've previously conceded this point and posted something that outlines what the US department of business after in terms of voting related crimes.

2020-12-06 22:08:20 UTC  

But yeah

2020-12-06 22:08:59 UTC  

Then who knows?

2020-12-06 22:09:05 UTC  

@busillis sorry. I'm not trying to beat a Dead Horse.

2020-12-06 22:10:04 UTC  

Hard to tell..

2020-12-06 22:10:08 UTC  

Joke

2020-12-06 22:10:13 UTC  

Ing

2020-12-06 22:10:24 UTC  

😂

2020-12-06 22:11:44 UTC  

@busillis. Maybe someone else learned something by our exchanged....lol

2020-12-06 22:12:10 UTC  

I'm learning.

2020-12-06 22:13:23 UTC  

@busillis we all are. It's a never ending Journey if we keep an Open Mind.

2020-12-06 22:14:13 UTC  

Are you referring to the Compromise Order?

2020-12-06 22:14:58 UTC  

Settlement Agreement?

2020-12-06 22:16:06 UTC  

I think lots of people are being misinformed on that issue. I have read the compromise. It didnt change the law... It only changed a few rules and guidelines (how the law was implemented) which are things often set aside for the agency or office that has to carry out that law can address without legislative review.

2020-12-06 22:16:23 UTC  

Yeah... Settlement Agreement/ Compromise Order... the one in GA

2020-12-06 22:16:59 UTC  

You literally just described a breach of the separation of powers.

2020-12-06 22:17:12 UTC  

Not at all

2020-12-06 22:17:29 UTC  

The IRS for example makes up gazzillions of rules and guidelines...

2020-12-06 22:17:43 UTC  

Its the exact same logic here...

2020-12-06 22:18:41 UTC  

@JD~Jordan the IRS is one of the most revered institutions in the United States.

2020-12-06 22:18:54 UTC  

@JD~Jordan the Executive Branch can only preform the authority that is established by Statue of the Legislation. I believe the question is they exceed their Authority.

2020-12-06 22:18:54 UTC  

Right behind the FBI

2020-12-06 22:19:08 UTC  

Here is a copy of the Settlement Agreement/Compromise Order.... Take a moment to read it. It doesn't modify the underlying law.
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/07/GA-Settlement-1.pdf

2020-12-06 22:20:41 UTC  

Yes that is the question.... and the answer is "No, they didn't". Everything contained in that order was something the Sec of State office could legally do... The attorney for the GOP in GA was a party to that Settlement Agreement... and it was approved and entered by a court.

2020-12-06 22:21:03 UTC  

Ouch that GA kraken takedown was brutal

2020-12-06 22:21:27 UTC  

What are you referring to ?

2020-12-06 22:22:10 UTC  

@JD~Jordan that's what we just got finished speculating... States can do what they will..

2020-12-06 22:22:23 UTC  

@JD~Jordan. They exceeded the Legislation is the question. Not the Form rather the objective. Not in their overview to change the Objective. That is the Legal Question.