I hope someday I too can have that much faith that people are good and trustworthy.

It's not faith... It's pragmatism. I look at this as a "What is a more likely narrative if I assume both sides were correct?" exercise in probability.

The GOP was pretty effective at shutting down Ron Paul by falsely declaring he didn’t win Iowa and the newsletters. Never underestimate the GOP and their capacity for evil.

Evil. Really....

Once trump is out, the bill Kristols and Karl roves will move back in

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/09/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-investigation.html

Yes. Joe Biden and his crime family are evil.

To be fair, we have no way of knowing whether Trump suspected there would be fraud. So it's not right to blame him for sitting on his hands until after the fact.

But we can see the GOP scam a mile away and it will be stopped, just like the coup that is failing before our eyes.

Tell me Karl rove doesn’t have the capacity to wheel in ballots overnight to cover a margin 😂

Is the Glass Half Full or Half Empty? Or is it the Point of no Return? Depends on the original state of your measurement or your perspective?

Unfortunately any research has to be done independently, because no one is accurately reporting on any of this, right or left alike. You even pointed that out about Roberts lasts show (which I noticed as well.)
When I look at the players involved and have seen the lengths they will go to paint this man to be the devil himself... Humans are inherently greedy, envious and deceitful. So the natural conclusion is that if it smells like a some shenanigans have gone down... I’m far more prone to expecting the worst in people, rather than presume people acted justly.

Wait. Nvm. Trump might have mentioned it. My bad.

How do we know this? Always heard Joe Biden and his son are very good folks?

What scam? If the precedent is that you can’t disenfranchise good faith voters, the gop can literally do whatever they want to add votes in 2024.

That’s not a scam, that’s playing within the rules

There is no precedent. Secure election business as usual.

Didn’t he mention it in both debates and every day on Twitter?

It’s up to the dems to play within the rules and prevent the non human gop votes from being added beforehand

Correct me if I’m wrong, @Zuluzeit

Seriously? Joe flies his son over to China on Air Force 2 and introduces him around and Hunter walks away with millions...

The precedent is being created right now

No one prevented GOP votes. Is that the next claim?

Lordy

Joe is in charge of Ukraine, his son walks away with millions.

Here was my stab at breakdown the process required from each perspective. I was trying to be as brief as possible, but I think you can get where I was going with it: https://discordapp.com/channels/760945067107680286/771201221145919499/784832307219136612

if it smells .... throw it out, dont eat it.

I wish I were one of his sons. Air Force 2 is so sick. I’d totally take advantage of flying on that sucker.

> Didn’t he mention it in both debates and every day on Twitter?
@yetiCodes Yeah he might have mentioned it a time or two. He was really unclear about expecting fraud if he lost though ;)

I’m taking about 2024. If scotus rules you can’t disenfranchise good faith voters, then gop can add votes in 2024 without legal repercussions.

To be fair... Ivanka flew to China on AF1 and walked away with nearly 50 trademarks.

time for a break. searching for news is hard work on the eyes.

and the back

I’ll go take a read. The moral decline seen in the last few decades in America has eroded my faith in the Gov. BRB.

> I’m taking about 2024. If scotus rules you can’t disenfranchise good faith voters, then gop can add votes in 2024 without legal repercussions.
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire Adding votes is the whole idea.

Is usual lawful until someone challenges it?

I can't believe you would have the gall to suggest the Biden family would ever do anything that is unethical.

They are not saying that Fraud is legal. If fraud were proven, those would be illegal votes by definition.

Legalized fraud is legal.

Everybody needs to band together and stop the war on fraud.

If you add votes, the only way to prove fraud is signature certification at time of opening with 2 watchers. If SCOTUS rules this is not needed to count votes, then adding votes is effectively legal.

Remind me... which state is supposed to have done this.