Message from @macsen

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2020-12-13 22:56:28 UTC  

@james j You realize that this is directly describing resistance yes?

2020-12-13 22:56:45 UTC  

And not applying old and outdated things to the existing system.

2020-12-13 22:57:03 UTC  

Actually may be True depending of the Definitions?

2020-12-13 22:57:03 UTC  

It's about upholding the status quo when you feel the risk outweighs the benefit.

2020-12-13 22:57:21 UTC  

The job of the left is to ensure the lowest in society are not forgotten, the job of the centrists/liberals is to push forward with new ideas, the job of the conservatives is to control the speed of change. every person has a tendency to one of these roles by their own personality. You need all types of people to produce a cohesive society.

2020-12-13 22:57:26 UTC  

The status quo is literally the system as it exists today.

2020-12-13 22:57:28 UTC  

resistance to a new paradigm , insisting on older paradigms while not taking in the new environment @Maw

2020-12-13 22:57:32 UTC  

Not as it exists 400 years ago.

2020-12-13 22:57:59 UTC  

The status quo is tied to any particular zeitgeist

2020-12-13 22:58:27 UTC  

@Phil that’s true

2020-12-13 22:58:41 UTC  

Unless your Status Quo is Liberty?

2020-12-13 22:58:52 UTC  

It's not the older paradigm if it's the current paradigm.

2020-12-13 22:59:11 UTC  

I say we have more liberty and freedoms now than 100 years ago @William Dinan

2020-12-13 22:59:22 UTC  

Mostly, yes.

2020-12-13 22:59:40 UTC  

The current paradigm is no particular point it’s always morphing

2020-12-13 22:59:54 UTC  

It's only changing if the system changes.

2020-12-13 23:00:09 UTC  

The society is dynamic and ever changing.

2020-12-13 23:00:09 UTC  

Mainly environment

2020-12-13 23:00:10 UTC  

And that maybe due to Conservatives?

2020-12-13 23:00:11 UTC  

The system is not.

2020-12-13 23:00:25 UTC  

100 years ago there were only a fraction of the laws on the books as now

2020-12-13 23:00:33 UTC  

How we have our needs meet changes the paradigm and the system should follow

2020-12-13 23:01:26 UTC  

The point is the interpretation of the constitution changed over time, free speech wasn't as free as it is today before 1919.

2020-12-13 23:01:31 UTC  

yet the average person today had more control over their lives, where they want to go, what they want to do. More avenues for personal growth have been made @macsen

2020-12-13 23:02:01 UTC  

The Marketplace and Innovations are not the same as 100 Years ago also.

2020-12-13 23:02:07 UTC  

Have you actually been alive this year???

2020-12-13 23:02:29 UTC  

He's talking largely about technological progress that enhanced freedom.

2020-12-13 23:02:44 UTC  

Cars, planes, etc.

2020-12-13 23:03:14 UTC  

@Beth you mean the pandemic , yeah once every hundred years we have a global pandemic so what. You are engaging in very short term thinking

2020-12-13 23:03:14 UTC  

Ahh I’m with you now 😌

2020-12-13 23:03:52 UTC  

Yes and Information sharing to say the least in the very near Past.

2020-12-13 23:03:53 UTC  

The idea of the first amendment actually wasn't the way it is today prior to 1919. People were imprisoned for lots of different kinds of speech prior to 1919.

2020-12-13 23:04:21 UTC  

It wasn't until 1919 that you had the greatest ruling in the SCOTUS in US history.

2020-12-13 23:04:24 UTC  

@james j I don't know if that is true or just a perception we have. Some things are easier to do now, others much more restricted.

2020-12-13 23:04:37 UTC  

What you have now is that power is being really heavily focused in a handful people, i am thinking of the owners of Amzon, Netflix, Facebook,Twitter, and the covid situation has only made this shift even faster. If this is not corrected EVERYONE will be subjected to the ideologies (whatever they are) of this very small handful of people and it will be very difficult to reverse.

2020-12-13 23:05:17 UTC  

@macsen your great great great grand parents would marvel at all the stuff you could do in a day that for them would take months

2020-12-13 23:05:26 UTC  

Or years

2020-12-13 23:05:30 UTC  

That's not the government though James.

2020-12-13 23:05:51 UTC  

I’m talking about actual tangible freedoms

2020-12-13 23:06:00 UTC  

Freedoms from the government have degraded over time with the exception of 1919.

2020-12-13 23:06:05 UTC  

The same thing was said after the invention of the Printing Press.