Message from @William Dinan

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2020-12-17 19:13:20 UTC  

I mean it shouldn't be shocking at all.

2020-12-17 19:13:46 UTC  

It's more than pretty bad.... When you look at the outcomes, it never turns out well.

2020-12-17 19:13:52 UTC  

I'm more concerned about why they chose to deal with the Solar Winds breach now. I am guessing they knew about it before. It could be used to claim that there was foreign interference in the election and move to invalidate it to trigger a contingent election. I wondered why they would bring up so many lawsuits that never alleged fraud in court and provided no concrete evidence of it. Then the sham hearings that Rudy took on the road, which were a joke and did not present a credible opposition viewpoint. What if the point was just to make people question the outcome without thinking about it critically. They claim that no court would hear the evidence even though several did and Trump's advocates could not produce any credible evidence (some even dismissed, but went on to point out the flaws in the affidavits, but this is also ignored). This was aided by the MSM that categorically dismissed everything without comprehensively covering the ridiculously weak allegations that were made).

People now believe there was significant fraud - many intelligent people on this server are among them - even though Trump's lawsuits have failed to produce a single name of someone who voted fraudulently in a court of law. It's been 7 weeks with more than $210m to spend to hire all of the best investigators and massive support from law enforcement... and not one name. With such alleged widespread fraud and supposed firsthand witness testimony and a monstrous pile of cash, they can't find anyone?

So, I am left to the conclusion that proving fraud was never the intention. It was to sow doubt in the election in order to get SCOTUS to intervene. Failing that, they happen to release evidence of a Russian infiltration of our infrastructure. It's only a matter of time before they attempt to link it to the election. Then...

2020-12-17 19:13:53 UTC  

Also fake investigations. That’s been the MO of the GOP since bill clinton @ImNotGas and by fake I mean political theater

2020-12-17 19:14:46 UTC  

Guessing they knew about it before? Hahaha... You can bet your sweet ass they knew about it before.

2020-12-17 19:14:58 UTC  

But, sure..

2020-12-17 19:15:26 UTC  

@TaLoN132 then what

2020-12-17 19:16:21 UTC  

I generally agree with this, this is what it's looking like at this point to myself as well. And I'm from the opposite side of the spectrum.

2020-12-17 19:16:23 UTC  

Martial law... Contingent election... Trump for 4 more years.

2020-12-17 19:16:32 UTC  

@TaLoN132 I thought we've already determined the fraud is a fraud?

2020-12-17 19:16:35 UTC  

Geez

2020-12-17 19:17:01 UTC  

People know my opinion on Martial Law, I think that people advocating for it really, truly don't understand what this would mean for both our democracy and our rights.

2020-12-17 19:17:02 UTC  

People raised their eyebrows after he fired all those people from the pentagon and put In loyalists

2020-12-17 19:17:04 UTC  

It is... That's my point.

2020-12-17 19:17:53 UTC  

Right

2020-12-17 19:18:04 UTC  

Dirty Politics and Dirty Games unfortunately seems to be the norm. If you use the power of the Government to Accomplish it that is unlawful.

2020-12-17 19:18:22 UTC  

Martial Law goes well above Dirty Politics.

2020-12-17 19:18:32 UTC  

It's going into tyranny territory.

2020-12-17 19:18:41 UTC  

Were politics always this dirty or am I just now noticing it?

2020-12-17 19:18:58 UTC  

Absolutely as well as all of the details of Burisma/Astanta/China fully in public light with impeachment for quid pro quo in Ukraine...then, in 4 more years, someone who encourages cooperation between the democrats and republicans and fosters the ambition to collaborate through teamwork. The American people are a bit sick of their childish games. It's dangerous

2020-12-17 19:19:16 UTC  

Nixon as an example.

2020-12-17 19:19:32 UTC  

I agree... But it might explain the Cabinet changes. I wouldn't put it past him to try. We might be left to hoping that the military and SCOTUS are willing to honor their commitment to the constitution and recognize Biden and the President on 1/20.

2020-12-17 19:20:15 UTC  

I was a little young or not yet born.

2020-12-17 19:20:17 UTC  

I don't think the military would get involved in politics, as it's a foundational structure of the military to not do so. I don't want to test this theory at all, though.

2020-12-17 19:20:39 UTC  

That would be pretty reckless even for Trump putting not just government agencies but wall street companies at risk. I'd have to see evidence they did something that crazy. It wasnt even super compelling with voting machines and dominion not really being impacted. Russia going after vaccine data on the other hand makes more sense. Their covid research isnt as good.

2020-12-17 19:21:14 UTC  

It's all around crap... And we shouldn't involve ourselves in it but what do I know.

2020-12-17 19:21:17 UTC  

Have you actually looked into the burisma thing @inwa . That’s was made up nonsense by Trump regarding Biden firing that prosecutor for personal gain. That shokin guy was not investigating burisma at the time nor any other crimes. The people of Ukraine , the IMF and the US wanted the corrupt actor (shokin) gone.

2020-12-17 19:21:33 UTC  

I think some of the changes might have to do with upcoming Pardons?

2020-12-17 19:21:36 UTC  

Sue the MSM

2020-12-17 19:21:43 UTC  

They have to select the civilian authority to submit to...

2020-12-17 19:22:28 UTC  

Who's he going to pardon? Did preemptive pardons really work?

2020-12-17 19:22:34 UTC  

Pretty sure they're allowed to act as their own unique entity.

2020-12-17 19:22:43 UTC  

I hope you're right.

2020-12-17 19:23:00 UTC  

Oh, I'm fully expecting some controversial pardons for sure.

2020-12-17 19:23:12 UTC  

The preemptive pardons are only for deeds committed up to the point of the pardon?@William Dinan

2020-12-17 19:23:17 UTC  

Pardoning is also not usually something you can contest all that much, so keep that in mind.

2020-12-17 19:23:18 UTC  

I could go back further. President Johnson.

2020-12-17 19:23:23 UTC  

Of course a Trump appointee would say that.

2020-12-17 19:23:27 UTC  

Also keep in mind, Trump cannot pardon state crimes.

2020-12-17 19:23:49 UTC  

Trump can only pardon federal crimes.