11 thousand ballots

Underneath the xmas treee

\When I said the convos around the election topic is a circus I meant from both sides.

Then at least two other states

I responded to your comment in the context of the conversation of the recording of Trump pressuring Raffensperger being released. I 100% share your sentiment about how the divide is such a problem... Probably the biggest problem our country faces. The bulk of my rant was not really about you. I just got on a roll and it kind of snowballed.

Nobody caught my Dad Joke??? Where's @Zuluzeit and @meglide?
https://discordapp.com/channels/760945067107680286/771201221145919499/795377978590494730

Sorry I'm not paying attention

Ive been without internet for a bit.... so I am sure you guys have already been talking about this... but is there anyone that is attempt to defend Trump's call to the GA Sec of State that was reported on today?

there's no defending this:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/03/trump-georgia-election-454122

Literally everybody's defending it.@JD~Jordan

How is this not election interference?

@busillis it's righting a wrong. Not interferance. The fraud that has gone on with epic roars must be made right. Keep that context in mind

I'm thinking Trump will go directly from the White House to the jailhouse on this one

What fraud? No one has found any reliable evidence of the type of fraud that would swing GA or even a county in GA

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/03/congress-rules-electoral-college-count-454023

I think Trump's next Term is a Prison Term.

The only problem is no one's been able to prove the fraud...

Keep that in mind.

... and it's not like they haven't been looking

And that too.

Damn it

I'd be surprised if this ever happened.

I keep being surprised

The justice system kinda sucks and politicians get off free on a lot of stuff.

Especially ex-presidents.

Nixon is one that comes to mind.

That and I feel Trump will try to pardon himself, which may or may not work. We'll have to see.

But that only works for federal crimes.

If I was Raffensperger I wouldn't be taking calls from the President. Raffensperger was smart enough to have general counsel on the phone at the same time. Still this is ridiculous.

I think it was a good idea, it gave them a recording of a stomping Trump.

PROJECT

Georgia state law includes two provisions that criminalize “solicitation of election fraud” and “conspiracy to commit election fraud.” Trump’s detractors also pointed to a federal statute that criminalizes “the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent.” ... in the article I posted.

Eh, that's going to be a pretty weak argument. I know what you're talking about.

Who recorded the conversation?.

Either Raffensperger or his counsel.

https://www.electionevidence.com/

it's right at the verge for sure
"Anthony Michael Kreis, a Georgia State University law professor, said: “The Georgia code says that anybody who solicits, requests or commands or otherwise attempts to encourage somebody to commit election fraud is guilty of solicitation of election fraud. ‘Soliciting or requesting’ is the key language. The president asked, in no uncertain terms, the secretary of state to invent votes, to create votes that were not there. Not only did he ask for that in terms of just overturning the specific margin that Joe Biden won by, but then said we needed one additional vote to secure victory in Georgia.”

“There’s just no way that if you read the code and the way the code is structured, and then you look at what the president of the United states requested, that he has not violated this law — the spirit of it for sure,” Kreis continued.

Kreis added that the phone call could not be divorced from recent episodes in which Trump amplified a false conspiracy theory about Raffensperger’s family and his vows to end the political careers of people like the secretary of state and Georgia’s governor, Brian Kemp, for upholding Biden’s victory in the election. He also said Trump’s request for a specific number of votes — just enough to prevail by one — undercut the notion that he was simply asking for the truth."

We've all seen this and reached different conclusions obviously.

Well me too... but I think it needs to happen. Not because I hate Trump (though I do hate lot of things he has done) but we really can't just shrug what he is doing off and say its just politics. Trump has shone a light on some clear problems with our Republic and to some extent that is a good thing as we can address the shortcoming now.

Lets imagine a scenario in the future where some super liberal socialist leaning President gets elected. And he has done the same sort of power grabs that Trump has and also ignored all the previous traditions of things like providing taxes, and the White House visitor list to the public....

And then while running for his second term he contacts the leaders of France and Germany to help him dig up dirt or make up dirt on his strongest Republican rival.

The election, unlike 2020, is very very close.... like in 2000. And just 1 State decides the election. And that State is the Liberal Leaning California.

And that call that we heard Trump made is the same call that the very Liberal President is making to his also very Liberal friends in power in California...

And you don't see this as a problem?

Im guessing this is the conversation they had. That he said he didnt pressure or talk to him