That was easier than I thought. The part about his remaining time starts at around 5:10. I had already thought this stuff since I posted last night.

Why the hell do we require ID to get on an airplane but not to vote?

Because airplanes are dangerous and politicans are not... Also IDs can be held by non-citizen. It's all a big mess, you would almost think it was intentional

@Zuluzeit Just out of curiosity, where do you have me categorized?

@Doc Gatekeeper - Arbiter of Qualification

We see a lot of that on the left and very rarely on the right, which makes you somewhat of an anomaly.

@Zuluzeit I am neither

I have no gate to keep except my own.

I am never normative, I am entertained. I am the last humanist. A fan of man.

@Doc I mean if you are trying to be funny to each his own. But if you honestly think Donald Trump is a moron it says more about your ability to assess other people than it does about President Trump.

@Zuluzeit You are the one being disingenuous. Donald Trump is calculating, that’s how he became the president without GOP establishment support. You are confusing you’re dislike for him with maladaptive traits so that you can feel morally superior to him. That’s disingenuous.

If only he was calculating enough to stay off of twitter.

He'd probably have won.

But regardless, please, folks -- be calm and civil.

We can disagree but remain civil with one another.

Remember, disliking any particular candidate isn't an attack on you or your person.

@Gypsy I am not sure what constitutes a moron. It is a word I only use in traffic. I know, however, what constitutes cerebellar atrophy.

In general, I am payed decently to assess other people, so if I am bad at that - This is really bad news for me, as I will now have to expect apprehension.

@Doc Just because you are paid to do something doesn’t mean you’re good at. Business consultants are a good example of an industry of overpaid “experts”.

@Doc I am also not impressed by an appeal to authority. I am also not convinced that the average psychologist knows much more actionable information than common sense and observation yields. I suspect it’s like poker, where there are a few individuals in the tail of the distribution who really excel and then there is the bulk where people are performing no better than a coin toss. I notice that people who “assess people for a living” tend to be assessing through a very narrow lens painted by the bias in their professions. To the man with a hammer, every problem is a nail. It’s easier to feign objectivity when your presuppose that your value system is based in science. (Edit: Metaphor dyslexia)

@Gypsy Agreed. I may be incompetent. If I am unable to correctly diagnose cerebellar atrophy this would certainly be the case. This is why I expect apprehension, as such incompetence would have resulted in wrongful convictions and probably a dozen maltreatments - and would therefore constitute criminal negligence. I also agree on your assessment of psychologists. You are not far off. It`s why I never even considered studying psychology.

As for the "narrow lens" you speak of, you might think about excusing the average ER resident for being focused rather narrowly on your RR, HR and BP - and not your emotions, hopes dreams and models of this world. It has to do with relevance and time.

I have seen a lot of mental health experts and psychologist try to marginalize Trump by saying he suffers from various mental illness or maladaptive traits. I have seen this same technique applied to anyone they want to marginalize. That’s the narrow lens I speak of and it has nothing to do with caring for anyone’s mental health and everything to do with establishing the framework from which they want the debate to begin so they can control the outcome. I am I persuaded by your rebuttal and don’t believe I have done anything to convince you of my argument. So we will both be better off agreeing to disagree.

Cerebellar atrophy isnt a mental heath issue. It is a neurological condition.

Like the open mouth sign is a question of geriatric diagnostics. Also not a mental health issue. You see the difference?

Yeah, I don’t have a degree in neuroscience but I know how to Google, so I looked it up when you used it the first time. It’s insignificant to my point whether it’s mental health or your diagnosing a neurological condition.

I'd say any neurological condition affects mental health to some degree or another, just by it's existence.

@Doc I still believe you are using your knowledge to justify your bias rather than drawing conclusions from the facts available. And you are trying to cloud the issue by relating the conversation to a topic you know is not understood well by the general public. “Experts” do this often. Because they know they are unlikely to be challenged by anyone outside of their field they can substitute reason and evidence with their own personal bias or what they would like to see as the outcome in public opinion. So like I said, I am not persuaded that your assessment of Trump. In addition, the original statement was that people see Trump as a moron. You stated this was because of cerebellar atrophy and later moved the goal post to exclude the conversation of whether or not he was a moron. I assume this is because being a moron didn’t fit with the science of your argument so it was necessary to change the premise so you could “win” the argument. I am uninterested in arguing though. My point is that I find the mental gymnastics someone has to do when they say a man who was voted into the most powerful public office in the world, is a moron. And I think you are uninterested in an unbiased conversation on the topic, hence my suggestion we move on.

@xephael that seems like a reasonable statement to me, but I am not an expert in mental health. And the original argument was about people calling him a moron and how I thought it was disingenuous. So, you may be right, I do not know the specific agreed upon definitions of mental health and neurological conditions. I think as a layman if something is neurologically wrong with me I could hear myself explaining that in terms of mental health. I just am not interested in having a pedantic conversation with the Doc to justify what, to me, is clearly a bias.

It seems like this is an age old argument, is trump a moron who stumbles into lucky situations surrounded by smart people or is he really just playing 5d chess

To think you will have a useful conversation and get to the bottom of this on the internet?

Dumb conversation

It isn't useful to argue about such things

Everyone has their own bias.

Some more than others, but "it is what it is".

Also, you have to understand when you're elected to the highest position of office, you're going to be a target of unfair and frankly ridiculous levels of criticism and scrutiny.

Some of which will be completely valid, and others will be personal opinion.

No one is perfect.

I don't find it's useful to take personal offense towards other people's opinions on candidates though.

What people truly believe is not disingenuous in nature, and some people simply don't like Trump for a number of reasons, including how abrasive he is. The same goes to Biden, some people don't like that he's a candidate that has done almost nothing for the system in 47 years. There is a lot of give and take here.

I was boxed out but would like to register that my claims were about vindictiveness and petty spite, of which we have all seen a pattern of behavior. Secondly, my accusation of disingenuousness was in regard to people pretending like they couldn't conjure an understanding of how a person could reasonably see Trump that way. It had nothing to do with others being dishonest about their opinions of him or how they choose to treat their observations. I make no claims about his intelligence or 'calculated' 11 dimensional chess skills.