Message from @Doc

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2020-11-09 19:43:54 UTC  

"Data on the particle size distribution for particulates measured by the PortaCountsare not available, however, ~90% of the particles detected were produced by the TSI Particle Generator as described above"

2020-11-09 19:47:57 UTC  

So we don't really know what size was filtered out, or if those of a certain size were filtered at a success rate of as you suggested, high efficacy.

2020-11-09 19:48:33 UTC  

@realz Large studies show that around 90% of spread outside families can be traced back to nightclubs, bars, restaurants and hotels.

2020-11-09 19:48:59 UTC  

fecal-oral.

2020-11-09 19:49:11 UTC  

So aerosolized.

2020-11-09 19:49:17 UTC  

from toilets, yes.

2020-11-09 19:49:42 UTC  

It displays pretty much the spread pattern of Norwalk.

2020-11-09 19:49:49 UTC  

which explains the high R0

2020-11-09 19:50:13 UTC  

In places you likely wouldn't be wearing a mask.

2020-11-09 19:50:30 UTC  

The bathroom, specifically.

2020-11-09 19:50:47 UTC  

well, you contaminate your surface when using the restroom, go back out and eat/drink.

2020-11-09 19:51:10 UTC  

So a lot of surface contamination.

2020-11-09 19:51:15 UTC  

correct

2020-11-09 19:51:16 UTC  

Makes lots of sense.

2020-11-09 19:51:21 UTC  

indeed it does.

2020-11-09 19:51:37 UTC  

Somewhat of an "aha" when that was published.

2020-11-09 19:52:38 UTC  

can you link?

2020-11-09 19:52:53 UTC  

No, I was looking for it now.

2020-11-09 19:53:04 UTC  

I have a 2 GB folder on covid PDFs 😛

2020-11-09 19:53:22 UTC  

So the best practice would be to wipe down your face, mouth and hands with a disinfectant wipe when leaving any public restroom.

2020-11-09 19:53:32 UTC  

no, its on your clothes as well

2020-11-09 19:53:46 UTC  

Correction: Never go to a public restroom.

2020-11-09 19:53:47 UTC  

the medically sound thing to do is to close down places where people eat and shit together.

2020-11-09 19:54:01 UTC  

but that would crash the economy.

2020-11-09 19:54:14 UTC  

This is where masks come into play. It looks like you are doing something.

2020-11-09 19:54:19 UTC  

Arguably worse, the cure can't be worse than the disease as they say.

2020-11-09 19:55:37 UTC  

No flatulence in public, no public toilets.

2020-11-09 19:56:39 UTC  

I actually don't think banning public toilets would be frowned on so badly, as long as people had a means to actually live outside of their home.

2020-11-09 19:56:59 UTC  

But it would be horrendously inconvenient.

2020-11-09 19:57:17 UTC  

And probably lead to a swath of other issues.

2020-11-09 19:57:52 UTC  

Insightful, to say the least.

2020-11-09 19:58:06 UTC  

Definitely something to mull about.

2020-11-09 19:59:08 UTC  

well, this is why some studies show masks are increasing the problem.

2020-11-09 19:59:36 UTC  

you go to a public restroom, take off your mask (contaminating it), touching surfaces, and then putting your mask on.

2020-11-09 20:00:14 UTC  

remember this too, in medicine the transmission ladder looks like this: "Blood-contact-aerosol-airborne"

2020-11-09 20:00:22 UTC  

what is aerosoled is also contact.

2020-11-09 20:00:27 UTC  

Yeah, more contact with the face/eyes. I've heard eye contact is less of an issue because of the disease type, but for sure touching your mask all the time isn't good.

2020-11-09 20:00:51 UTC  

which makes mask with no gloves pointless.

2020-11-09 20:01:16 UTC  

Also eating with gloves, and not swapping gloves kinda pointless as well.

2020-11-09 20:01:50 UTC  

exactly. When stitching up a hep-pt you burn through 5 sets of gloves in 10 minutes.

2020-11-09 20:02:51 UTC  

I don't doubt it.