Message from @Doc

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2020-11-09 19:39:55 UTC  

they talk about differences of .6% and a few percent

2020-11-09 19:40:04 UTC  

i.e it is bad when it is letting in 5% of particles

2020-11-09 19:40:06 UTC  

verses 100%

2020-11-09 19:40:34 UTC  

5% of particles could be the primarily-sized particles that lead to the most cases of infections.

2020-11-09 19:40:38 UTC  

no

2020-11-09 19:40:47 UTC  

they are not even talking about infections

2020-11-09 19:40:51 UTC  

just aerosolized particles

2020-11-09 19:43:04 UTC  

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf I've seen this study which is likely saying the same thing you're saying.

2020-11-09 19:43:19 UTC  

But as it says in the study, the size of the particles is not known.

2020-11-09 19:43:54 UTC  

"Data on the particle size distribution for particulates measured by the PortaCountsare not available, however, ~90% of the particles detected were produced by the TSI Particle Generator as described above"

2020-11-09 19:47:57 UTC  

So we don't really know what size was filtered out, or if those of a certain size were filtered at a success rate of as you suggested, high efficacy.

2020-11-09 19:48:33 UTC  

@realz Large studies show that around 90% of spread outside families can be traced back to nightclubs, bars, restaurants and hotels.

2020-11-09 19:48:59 UTC  

fecal-oral.

2020-11-09 19:49:11 UTC  

So aerosolized.

2020-11-09 19:49:17 UTC  

from toilets, yes.

2020-11-09 19:49:42 UTC  

It displays pretty much the spread pattern of Norwalk.

2020-11-09 19:49:49 UTC  

which explains the high R0

2020-11-09 19:50:13 UTC  

In places you likely wouldn't be wearing a mask.

2020-11-09 19:50:30 UTC  

The bathroom, specifically.

2020-11-09 19:50:47 UTC  

well, you contaminate your surface when using the restroom, go back out and eat/drink.

2020-11-09 19:51:10 UTC  

So a lot of surface contamination.

2020-11-09 19:51:15 UTC  

correct

2020-11-09 19:51:16 UTC  

Makes lots of sense.

2020-11-09 19:51:21 UTC  

indeed it does.

2020-11-09 19:51:37 UTC  

Somewhat of an "aha" when that was published.

2020-11-09 19:52:38 UTC  

can you link?

2020-11-09 19:52:53 UTC  

No, I was looking for it now.

2020-11-09 19:53:04 UTC  

I have a 2 GB folder on covid PDFs 😛

2020-11-09 19:53:22 UTC  

So the best practice would be to wipe down your face, mouth and hands with a disinfectant wipe when leaving any public restroom.

2020-11-09 19:53:32 UTC  

no, its on your clothes as well

2020-11-09 19:53:46 UTC  

Correction: Never go to a public restroom.

2020-11-09 19:53:47 UTC  

the medically sound thing to do is to close down places where people eat and shit together.

2020-11-09 19:54:01 UTC  

but that would crash the economy.

2020-11-09 19:54:14 UTC  

This is where masks come into play. It looks like you are doing something.

2020-11-09 19:54:19 UTC  

Arguably worse, the cure can't be worse than the disease as they say.

2020-11-09 19:55:37 UTC  

No flatulence in public, no public toilets.

2020-11-09 19:56:39 UTC  

I actually don't think banning public toilets would be frowned on so badly, as long as people had a means to actually live outside of their home.

2020-11-09 19:56:59 UTC  

But it would be horrendously inconvenient.

2020-11-09 19:57:17 UTC  

And probably lead to a swath of other issues.

2020-11-09 19:57:52 UTC  

Insightful, to say the least.