I suppose we'll figure out if he has a history, but he HAD the guns.

@Matthew I mean if someone plans to do something like that they will always find a way to do it

It might have helped prevent someone like him from acquiring the guns in the first place though

Exactly, so the point is that the everyman should be armed and capable of defending oneself, not that guns should be restricted further.

The cops took more than 10 minutes to respond to this

@Matthew well sure with the appropriate legislation that's fine

typical that a discord mod is willing to lick the boot so readily.

Making proper distinction of what can be owned by hobbyists and what not

NZ police is now seeking to get rid of the shooting footage

@Semi Truck mc Clusterfuck that seems futile

God forbid someone see how ineffective and slow to respond state-run defense is.

Once it's out there

he killed most with a shotgun and people stood around for minutes. at this range and the fact everyone collectively froze meant he could have done this with a bolt gun and a shotgun

Someone almost tackled him in the mosque, that hero almost ended this early.

I would say he tried to run away past him

but it's not like we can ask

@Tribit yeah, there's already loads of links circulating, and already loads of people who've downloaded it

I disagree. He was definitely trying to intercept the shooter and tackle him.

looks like he killed most people with the carbine

tons of people downloaded it but if it can't be further spread way less will see it

it's off even live leak

cleared the entrance with the shotgun, dropped it, then went and killed most people in the main hall with the carbine

and he couldn't have done that with a shotgun?

Out of all those people, only one tried to stop him.

he could've, but he didn't

But he *tried*.

well we're talking if more gun control could have stopped it

and I'm saying it wouldn't have

he was nuts and could hide it well enough till this poiny

Only if it were complete and omnipotent gun control.

the weird thing is he walked like two blocks with his guns and no one stopped or even looked up at him

Full-auto Sten guns are trivially easy to make.

that wouldn't work on a large scale like the US, but it could definitely work in a small place like NZ

the gun control that is

Too densely populated and too many guns, NZ has a pretty robust gun culture.

not widely talked about but there

same in norway

update: over 27 fatalities

even after brevik, gun control in norway didn't go nearly as far as most euros would have taken it.

it's morbid but I imagine most gun owner advocacy groups have funds and plans for when spergs decide to try and ruin everything

gun control here in the UK is pretty strict, but in the countryside, everyone and their nan has a gun