Message from @Brian (Fourth Amendment)

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2019-06-19 04:43:54 UTC  

There are a number of examples brother of baptism in the OT

2019-06-19 04:44:00 UTC  

I can find more if you like?

2019-06-19 04:45:06 UTC  

Baptism comes up again in the story of the Flood (Genesis 6-9). Cain's children had practically ruined the world since "every thought of their hearts was evil every day of their lives." But God's Word, water, and the Holy Spirit (the breath of Life) brought about a regeneration and renewal of the world. Noah and his family, eight people in all, were saved from judgment by water, God's Word, and the Spirit.

2019-06-19 04:45:24 UTC  

Baptism comes up again at the time of the Exodus. When the Israelites were led through the waters of the Red Sea, St. Paul teaches us that this was a Baptism (1 Cor 10:1-2). He writes, “…our ancestors were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, and all of them were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.” Israel was saved from bondage through water, God's Word, and the Spirit (the cloud that went before and behind Israel was the presence of God). In the same way, God saves us from the Egypt of slavery to sin and death by leading us through the Red Sea of Baptism.

2019-06-19 04:45:40 UTC  

Clean and unclean. A woman was unclean because of her period. Everyone washed before going to the Temple daily. You washed a lot according to this law to get clean. Sort of like what we do when we shower. Nothing at all like baptism.

2019-06-19 04:46:08 UTC  

Evil was destroyed Steve.....and how was this done? By Baptism of Gods people, a washing away of sin and uncleanliness.

2019-06-19 04:46:13 UTC  

thats not completely true

2019-06-19 04:46:17 UTC  

steve

2019-06-19 04:46:47 UTC  

To claim there is no account of baptism in the OT is intellectually dishonest my friends.

2019-06-19 04:46:59 UTC  

Excuse me the people walked on dry land across the seabed. They did not get wet.

2019-06-19 04:46:59 UTC  

a woman wasnt unclean JUST because of her period

2019-06-19 04:47:13 UTC  

Steve, Spiritual Baptism

2019-06-19 04:47:15 UTC  

Yes she was.

2019-06-19 04:47:21 UTC  

Look at Noah and the flood

2019-06-19 04:47:23 UTC  

The water was merely representing what God does. When we turn to him, he cleanses us.

2019-06-19 04:47:44 UTC  

Look at Noah and the flood. Another example of Gods WORD, and spirit cleansing the world and the unrighteous by baptismal waters

2019-06-19 04:47:46 UTC  

Women were unclean most of the time.

2019-06-19 04:48:46 UTC  

(1 Cor 10:1-2). He writes, “…our ancestors were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, and all of them were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.” Israel was saved from bondage through water, God's Word, and the Spirit (the cloud that went before and behind Israel was the presence of God). In the same way, God saves us from the Egypt of slavery to sin and death by leading us through the Red Sea of Baptism.

2019-06-19 04:48:53 UTC  

This seems to make it clear Steve

2019-06-19 04:49:02 UTC  

It is like you look for water in the Old Testament then anything found you say Baptism. No Baptism is a specific rite. It has a specific purpose in most religions.

2019-06-19 04:49:28 UTC  

(1 Cor 10:1-2). He writes, “…our ancestors were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, and all of them were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.” Israel was saved from bondage through water, God's Word, and the Spirit (the cloud that went before and behind Israel was the presence of God). In the same way, God saves us from the Egypt of slavery to sin and death by leading us through the Red Sea of Baptism.

2019-06-19 04:49:51 UTC  

Steve its like you can't see the forest from the Trees

2019-06-19 04:50:02 UTC  

At the Jordan river, when God through Joshua brought Israel into the Promised Land, we again read about water, God's Word, and Spirit. It was no coincidence that Jesus was baptized in this same river. But now, on account of Jesus, we're led into the heavenly Promised Land. Jesus’ name in Hebrew is Joshua. Jesus is the new Joshua who leads us into the kingdom of God through Baptism. That's why he tells Nicodemus, “Truly, truly, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God, without being born of water and Spirit (John 3:5). We are born again in the Jordan of Baptism.

2019-06-19 04:50:02 UTC  

**John 3:5 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<5> Jesus answered, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. ```

2019-06-19 04:50:03 UTC  

You can not use the New Testament to prove the New Testament. Circular reasoning.

2019-06-19 04:50:12 UTC  

Shhh

2019-06-19 04:50:14 UTC  

and read

2019-06-19 04:50:37 UTC  

Since you prefer the OT read this

2019-06-19 04:50:45 UTC  

Tell me what you think it may be referring too..

2019-06-19 04:50:47 UTC  

Finally, Ezekiel the prophet preaches about how God will speak His Spirit into us in the last days. God says, “I will sprinkle clean water upon you to cleanse you from all your impurities… I will give you a new heart and place the new Spirit within you… I will put my Spirit within you and make you live by my statutes, careful to observe my decrees. You shall live in the land I gave your fathers; you shall be my people, and I will be your God” (36:25-26a).

2019-06-19 04:50:57 UTC  

read it closely brother

2019-06-19 04:51:38 UTC  

Nicodemus. We are born of water. What it refers to. Reincarnation.

2019-06-19 04:52:11 UTC  

"I will sprinkle clean water upon you to cleanse you from all your impurities".....this is screaming Baptism brother

2019-06-19 04:52:23 UTC  

its proclaiming it with a thunderous voice

2019-06-19 04:52:37 UTC  

We get a new heart in a new body. A new life in a very good land.

2019-06-19 04:52:45 UTC  

we know baptism cleanses you from sins....

2019-06-19 04:52:55 UTC  

so....its right ther ein ezekiel

2019-06-19 04:53:01 UTC  

When the water breaks the child is born.

2019-06-19 04:53:41 UTC  

New heart. New place. Reincarnation.

2019-06-19 04:53:59 UTC  

Water breaking is a far cry from thunder.

2019-06-19 04:54:16 UTC  

Again in reference to the passage I quoted in Ezekiel, I feel like you cant see the forest for the trees