is the LORD God or the Father

there are soooo many other things we can talk about which we agree on. let's agree to disagree on this and let the Holy Spirit lead us

The Lord is one Lord.

That doesnt really answer my question

Too much terminology I thought monotheism was supposed to be simpler

and Hamburger Guy can let the spaghetti monster lead him or whatever

Lol

Ok I really have to get to work so cya

If I send another message after this one for the next 6 hours mute me I have a phone addiction

God bless

John 14:9

**John 14:9 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<9> Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? ```

1 Timothy 3:16

**1 Timothy 3:16 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<16> And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. ```

I’m not a theologian. However this scripture tells me there’s a great mystery.

@Brian (Fourth Amendment)

gotta say the trinity is completely unbiblical, agree with bibleman on this. jesus emphatically states dozens of times that all his power comes from the Father, the Father is greater than he is, to pray to the Father and not to him just as he prayed to the Father, and that he was not God. Jesus was tempted, God cannot be tempted. Jesus learned and gained wisdom, God knows all things. Jesus does not know the future unless he is told, God does. God is not a man, Jesus is. God does not need the strength or wisdom of angels, Jesus did. I can back up every word i just said with scripture if you want it

The Father is your God, Jesus is your King, the Spirit is God’s literal breath which moves all things

Jesus is special, hes the greatest man who ever lived, he died for all sins, he is the only man who earned his way back to heaven. He was, in a sense, the closest that a man can be to God, but to say he is equal to God goes directly against what Jesus himself said.

That’s nonsense.

Jews were going to stone him for making himself equal with God.

John 10:33

**John 10:33 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<33> The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. ```

they did not understand what he meant. “Before Abraham was, I am” or “Before Abraham was the greatest man, now I am the greatest man”

http://www.thedeenshow.com/90-verses-that-say-jesus-is-not-god-nor-the-literal-son-of-god/

read this

Jesus existed before he was a man.

indeed, doesn’t change anything

It changes everything.

read that, stop typing

i don’t agree with everything said in that article, but the verses speak for themselves

numbers 23:19

**Numbers 23:19 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<19> God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal, that he should change his mind. Has he promised, and will he not do it? Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? ```

When I was born again through Christ. The entire event was synchronous. Between Christ the Holy Spirit and the Father. If you don’t agree, fine. But this isn’t an issue that’s an open and shut case. Unless you want to pretend you understand God’s mind.

luke 18:19

And Jesus never lied did he?

**Luke 18:19 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<19> Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. ```

Yeah.

matthew 19:17