True but to ignore the pattern in heaven completely one has to wonder are you ignoring God.

You speak against some scripture to denounce the trinity, and then dare to take scripture literally when used against Astrology? You're literally seeing what you want. You are literally extrapolating what you want.

The Bible would not use Astrology and then damn the people for also using it. God is not a hypocrite.

Totally agree.

or i;m literally pointing out astrologers are the ones with the SORCERORS that get burned to stubble.

Astrologers are not sorcerers

I find no magic in Astrology

then let the asrtrologers save you from the fire.

Cut the bullshit

Yes but they take it too far. Make claims like they can know about our life based on the stars when we were born and such.

Would you not agree astrologers take it too far?

the stars are angels, they follow a set path, and astrologers obsess over the angels doing their jobs, angels don't like to be worshipped.

God saves me from a lower plane of existence with more suffering.

No they want God to be worshiped.

Not Astrology

"lower plane of existence" the bible says the dead are raised, ON EARTH, Jesus reigns ON EARTH

the bible isn't about afterlife or chakra, it's about LIFE

Oh, this crap, again. We are not going to sit in our grave until some magical messiah comes to give you some new life.

that's what the bible says.

You're reading it wrong

the dead await resurrection, God is not the God of the dead, but of the LIVING

I have never heard of a Christian saying this. You're literally the very first one I have ever met to say we sit in a grave until Jesus comes.

Matthew 22:31-33

Sorry, you can believe that all you want.

**Matthew 22:31-33 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<31> But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, <32> I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. <33> And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. ```

what i say is purely true.

You can believe it all you want. Go right ahead. I'll keep working on my spirituality and my relationship with God.

I know he has my back.

demons are spirits too.

Any Chance we can calm this down a bit lads?

I said spirituality, not spirit.

basically the only difference between your beliefs is that according to bibleman, the righteous have to wait for the second coming to be resurrected. according to nomad, they are resurrected immediately and go to heaven. in either case, the righteous are resurrected eventually, only difference is when

you won't get that relationship with astrology and chakra.

Exodus 3:15

**Exodus 3:15 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<15> God also said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you': This is my name forever, and this my title for all generations. ```

Spent the last 10 mins reading through all this and all I see are tempers flaring??

With the tongue we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, this should not be! 11Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?… James 3:9-11

**James 3:9-11 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<9> With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse those who are made in the likeness of God. <10> From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this ought not to be so. <11> Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and brackish water? ```

So God is the god of the dead and the living

Since we all agree scripture is our guide point lets follow it

that would contradict Matthew 22:31-33