Mostly

i gave you proofs, then you accused me of using them out of context, i provide them in context, you say i'm wrong, despite you not even reading into the bible much

I literally shared what a Bible expert had to say.

You thinking that descriptive measures give you connotational measures is the weakest argument.

The Bible speaks in metaphors, not literally.

Mark 7:7

**Mark 7:7 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<7> Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ```

lol "experts" would know about philosophy being wrong if they were truly an expert

"Baseless assertions"

this is gonna get good

At least I admit to ignorance.

you claim that all the time when i provide you a base

;)

I'm not saying that you're wrong in terms of context, just that literal interpretations aren't a thing throughout the Bible.

It's a metaphorical stance, not a literal stance.

yes, there ARE

There are, but far less than literal ones.

not everything is a parable

You're a layman who takes the literal interpretations and presents them as proof.

in fact, Jesus often let us KNOW when he was using a parable

Rem says the Bible isn’t to be taken literally>uses Bible as a counter

he wants biblical proof

i give it, he says "no need more proof"

“in fact, Jesus often let us KNOW when he was using a parable” this ones new.

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

**Genesis 32:30 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<30> So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved." ```

**John 1:18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<18> No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known. ```

Jacob was wrestling an ANGEL, look at the context

Take this literally, it's literally a contradiction unless you take it with context and know the descriptive understanding behind it.

Now he screams context.

😂

dont you even boy, i gave you plenty of context

And your descriptive measures?

the words can speak for themselves

Your context is only context of preceding verses.

Not the context of the speaker and what he means by it.

You claim to know the truth yet nothing is farther, as a layman I reference somenone who knows who disagrees.

And your response?
"it's obvious"

yes, when the verse is obvious and in context as i provided

Genesis 32:24-30

**Genesis 32:24-30 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<24> And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. <25> And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. <26> And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. <27> And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. <28> And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. <29> And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. <30> And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. ```