i give it, he says "no need more proof"

“in fact, Jesus often let us KNOW when he was using a parable” this ones new.

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

**Genesis 32:30 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<30> So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved." ```

**John 1:18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<18> No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known. ```

Jacob was wrestling an ANGEL, look at the context

Take this literally, it's literally a contradiction unless you take it with context and know the descriptive understanding behind it.

Now he screams context.

😂

dont you even boy, i gave you plenty of context

And your descriptive measures?

the words can speak for themselves

Your context is only context of preceding verses.

Not the context of the speaker and what he means by it.

You claim to know the truth yet nothing is farther, as a layman I reference somenone who knows who disagrees.

And your response?
"it's obvious"

yes, when the verse is obvious and in context as i provided

Genesis 32:24-30

**Genesis 32:24-30 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<24> And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. <25> And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. <26> And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. <27> And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. <28> And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. <29> And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. <30> And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. ```

theres your context Bork

...

we know he didn't wrestle God because

Numbers 23:19

**Numbers 23:19 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<19> God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? ```

I really didn’t need that

you just wanted to mess with me?

No

then yes, you DID need that

because you used a false assertion

"false assertion"

Lol, coming from the dude who hasn't been able to justify any of his positions because "philosophy is false"

i posted in context why and you still won't acknowledge it, stop instigating and ignoring proof

Only the Bibilical context, as in preceding verses, experts tend to disagree, though this may be pulling the appeal to authority, it's better left that way because I'm a layman

And the Bible saying it's false doesn't make it so...

😹

*Laughs in Jewish*

you asked for biblical proof and now you flat out deny the proof after all that time?

!mute @Friedrich i've had enough of your instigating

Who tf in their right mind gave this guy mod??

@Wendigo bibleman and dew surpassed me