Message from @Derek Nelson

Discord ID: 593692812277710848


2019-06-27 06:33:07 UTC  

Eastern Orthodox is just an eastern version of Catholicism.

2019-06-27 06:33:50 UTC  

Listen, I have a question, if you are an overall good person you should go to heaven, and if you are an overall bad person you should go to hell, correct ?

2019-06-27 06:33:57 UTC  

I don’t subscribe to either of those. Since they are both heavily tainted by doctrines of men that are not in scripture whatsoever.

2019-06-27 06:35:07 UTC  

I would say being good is definitely important.

2019-06-27 06:35:40 UTC  

Being bad being worthy of hell, is precisely why people need to be saved.

2019-06-27 06:36:18 UTC  

Exactly, then, why is, let's say, burning a bible, which is just a book, considered a huge sin ?

2019-06-27 06:36:28 UTC  

But burning a math book is completly okay.

2019-06-27 06:36:46 UTC  

God seems a bit biased towards things about him.

2019-06-27 06:37:14 UTC  

Because a math book doesn’t contain a warning in it not to take away from what’s in it.

2019-06-27 06:37:36 UTC  

Also, if you don't go to church to pray and hail our great god, you are consdered a bad person.

2019-06-27 06:37:48 UTC  

I don’t often go to church myself.

2019-06-27 06:38:47 UTC  

Scripture says God does not dwell in temples made by human hands. So it’s not so much going to church, as it is pursuing an interest in God for yourself, regardless what anyone else thinks.

2019-06-27 06:39:07 UTC  

My point is that going to heaven or hell should be objective, on what kind of person you are, and not on how much you kiss god's butt.

2019-06-27 06:39:41 UTC  

God isn’t actually susceptible to flattery. He’s rather immune to nonsense.

2019-06-27 06:40:17 UTC  

The ideea is that you are going to hell kf you don't think he is the greatest, or if you are atheistst.

2019-06-27 06:41:28 UTC  

You don’t know him yet. So I don’t see why you would want to make up your mind because of something that is a rather deep topic.

2019-06-27 06:42:09 UTC  

The point is that you are punished by going to hell if you don't think he is the greatest, or if you just don't believe he exists.

2019-06-27 06:42:27 UTC  

God doesn’t desire any man to perish.

2019-06-27 06:42:46 UTC  

Mhmm.

2019-06-27 06:43:06 UTC  

I didn't say he kills you, I said that he makes sure your afterlife sucks.

2019-06-27 06:43:16 UTC  

I didn’t get to know him by thinking he was the greatest.

2019-06-27 06:44:01 UTC  

Rather the opposite. I found out when I had nothing left to lose, to give it a try. For all I knew, he was a complete tyrant, and hated me.

2019-06-27 06:44:26 UTC  

I was quite overwhelmed, to find out otherwise.

2019-06-27 06:44:57 UTC  

And yes, it was through a prayer I made to him.

2019-06-27 06:45:15 UTC  

Again, my point is that you are being punished for having the opinion that he dosen't exist or that he isn't tee greatest.

2019-06-27 06:45:23 UTC  

Punished for thinking otherwise.

2019-06-27 06:46:14 UTC  

Well, thinking ill of him is it’s own punishment. Because it’s actually a lie.

2019-06-27 06:46:29 UTC  

We do it to ourselves.

2019-06-27 06:46:53 UTC  

Hell for not believing he is good.

2019-06-27 06:47:02 UTC  

I remember a time the same applied for other people.

2019-06-27 06:47:13 UTC  

It was called communism.

2019-06-27 06:47:21 UTC  

As far as I know, hell is for people who know he is good, and reject him anyway.

2019-06-27 06:47:33 UTC  

Which is absolutely freaking nuts.

2019-06-27 06:48:02 UTC  

See, punishing people for rejecting him, no matter how good of a person you are.

2019-06-27 06:49:01 UTC  

There’s no such thing as a person being good without God. Even if they can do many good works. It doesn’t mean anything if it doesn’t honor the Good that made it to be so.

2019-06-27 06:50:29 UTC  

It’s kind of like having a good mother who loves you, and not loving her back, despite doing many other good things.

2019-06-27 06:51:07 UTC  

We as human beings cannot ultimately survive without love. And that does come from God.

2019-06-27 06:51:10 UTC  

Stephen hawking.

2019-06-27 06:51:47 UTC  

An atheist, a man that did nothing bad to anyone, brought a lot to the science world, and was crippled by God.

2019-06-27 06:51:52 UTC  

Just because God knows what we're ultimately going to choose does not mean he forces us to choose it. My advice is; die to yourself a little more every day. The time is coming when the hearts of men will be exposed. We do not need to be afraid. Life on earth lasts only a moment; our lives are miracles we must see them that way.

2019-06-27 06:51:53 UTC  

He was a good man.