Message from @bait

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2019-08-25 05:38:52 UTC  

for long distances

2019-08-25 05:38:55 UTC  

preferrably

2019-08-25 05:38:58 UTC  

Yup

2019-08-25 05:39:11 UTC  

have you noticed things far off in the distance you couldn't see before come into view?

2019-08-25 05:40:23 UTC  

because there are hills and buildings

2019-08-25 05:40:30 UTC  

Thats because all objects at sharp angles form into a horizon and the angle between the top and bottom of objects are not the same

2019-08-25 05:41:02 UTC  

Then you have obtical effects and other factors

2019-08-25 05:41:09 UTC  

that sounds similar, hills and buildings are larger in angle when close up

2019-08-25 05:41:18 UTC  

and yeah

2019-08-25 05:41:20 UTC  

have you noticed that objects far away near the horizon become much lower from the horizon when you get close to it?

2019-08-25 05:41:50 UTC  

it's not very noticeable, it supposedly happens

2019-08-25 05:42:06 UTC  

but there must be refraction whether it's flat or globe

2019-08-25 05:43:35 UTC  

here, an 8 hour long car drive

2019-08-25 05:43:38 UTC  

going pretty straight

2019-08-25 05:43:46 UTC  

you can see that objects in the horizon get closer

2019-08-25 05:45:32 UTC  

Refraction tends to bend down unless there are heat waves or humidity that can cause heavy miraging

2019-08-25 05:46:03 UTC  

what causes the refraction?

2019-08-25 05:46:39 UTC  

dielectric responses in materials/air

2019-08-25 05:47:07 UTC  

The standard refraction model basically mimics angular resolution

2019-08-25 05:47:19 UTC  

is the sun above or inside the atmosphere?

2019-08-25 05:47:45 UTC  

What causes refraction? A change in medium

2019-08-25 05:47:57 UTC  

from which medium to which medium?

2019-08-25 05:48:10 UTC  

it can be a continuously changing medium

2019-08-25 05:49:16 UTC  

Atmospheric particles bend the light similar to .. a process of drag

2019-08-25 05:50:12 UTC  

Sometimes the heat and wind can lift the image and wobble it

2019-08-25 05:50:28 UTC  

Hmmm 🤔

2019-08-25 05:50:39 UTC  

Kind like how a paper bag moves in the wind

2019-08-25 05:50:44 UTC  

Angular size and refraction can be entirely separated as two different concepts

2019-08-25 05:50:51 UTC  

i don't think refraction can explain how much the horizon moves

2019-08-25 05:50:59 UTC  

refraction has a limit on how much the light will bend

2019-08-25 05:51:11 UTC  

we are saying they're separate albert

2019-08-25 05:51:15 UTC  

I agree, thats why i dont believe in the globe

2019-08-25 05:52:12 UTC  

The horizon is a property of a perspective matrix closing into a vanishing point combined with minor refraction

2019-08-25 05:52:35 UTC  

The horizon is literally caused by your sharp angle to the surface

2019-08-25 05:52:46 UTC  

why does refraction have a limit?

2019-08-25 05:53:25 UTC  

and i think i do agree that usually the main effect of horizon is angular size

2019-08-25 05:55:40 UTC  

Because there is an angle where light is absorbed or reflected. Refraction is super tricky i dont even want to pretend i am an expert

2019-08-25 05:55:49 UTC  

However let me source a great video for you

2019-08-25 05:56:05 UTC  

there is total internal reflection but

2019-08-25 05:56:20 UTC  

i don't think that would put a limit on how much it can bend in the atmosphere