Humans must not be an ends, but a means in themselves right?

> JP, I would say that when speaking about humans, it is insulting to use business school terminology.
@Malachi so you’re from the school that can’t put a price on a human life 🤦🏻‍♂️

that’s economic reality

Not sure what that has to do with my point.

Charity and caretaking is a wonderful aspect of humanity.

Theft and violence arent

Justice means, you take and you give.

The Democrats want to take without giving anything up

In my opinion human life is priceless. It does come with a type of coercion though. Our covid pandemic is a good example.

It is priceless, which is also why you can’t turn me into slave labor

tell that to car makers

war strategists

the US army

JP
"The Democrats want to take without giving anything up."

What's this mean?

or any economists

If I grow 100 apple trees, I’d happily give 20 of them to my community.

If I grow 100 apple trees and 30 are stolen from me, however, we have a problem. At least, if you ARE going to take my apple trees, leave me something of value in its place.

Soldiers get a lot for their service. It’s a trade.

I agree the obligation is to compensate you fairly. But what if you refuse?

What do I get for funding “clean needles” in SF?

Less dead people.

That’s unclear

That same money can be out toward an assisted living facility so that the mentally ill aren’t shooting up in the streets

i think y'all should hop in the voice chat

Those mentally ill can give up a bit of freedom for that welfare

You getting a ton of notices Cap?

Which voice chat room

Doesn't matter in centre

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@Malachi the second amendment is a limitation on government and it’s because in Britain, the government took all the guns and controlled the people

@Captain_Rogers people who want to participate in reciprocal free society (like us) need to do more than just talk about it. We need to start enacting it and exercising ways of saying “no” that doesn’t take away from our productivity.

The Marxist ideology is terrible, and it also wastes a ton of society’s resources because as we debate it, we aren’t working.

This is what happens when some adults pretend the children have the authority over them and other adults.

Except these aren’t merely children. There’s a whole army of grown men that, if you tell them no, they’ll burn your cities down.

Atlas Shrugged is one approach, but impractical enough

if the goal is to talk about as many topics as possible then you guys are doing fine...I feel like some lines of reasoning don’t get anywhere and certain things are not clarified or improved

RE: voice chat

Heh

the college student also comes off as here’s my view and it’s right and better than yours

Try a few more before making that judgement 🙂

on the channel as a whole

I think it all boils down to the same few principles. And it’s the difference between parasitical and reciprocal expectations in society.

I do not expect to be a parasite. I expect to have to pay for every good and bad thing in my life

in hearing you guys talk I see so many chances to go elaborate and bring up something interesting but then you guys move on lol

like the drug/morality issue

the Christian guy said drug use is immoral

Point it out Ozy - I For one love to exhaust a line of discussion before going off on tangents.

Due diligence is always good

but is it immoral if the tax revenue from the sale of said drugs is used for social welfare programs? Up to what point is something “immoral” acceptable?

things like that