that was good

I was busy anyway so I could only listen

I think there was probably an abnormal amount of 'talking over' considering how few participants we had

and sometimes terms are introduced with no operational definition

like self ownership for instance

what exactly is that? owning “yourself”?

Drug use is certainly immoral. We don’t need to agree on that, but it’s funny how so many of us are forced to subsidize it

Why should I pay for other people’s drug use?

is it immoral if you’re in pain?

Sorry, I thought you were implying recreational* drug use.

why is drinking and cigarettes ok then?

marijuana is also becoming increasingly legalized

Legal doesn’t mean moral

The consequences of those choices shouldn’t be forcefully paid for by the productive people of society if the productive people of society have no say in the terms.

some would say gambling is immoral

So casinos shouldn’t exist in that case

It is immoral. We don’t typically subsidize people’s gambling habits.

Lying is immoral. We penalize it; it’s called fraud.

what’s your standard of immoral?

What’s yours?

is it immoral to kill a person?

It’s immoral to murder. It’s moral to defend life. Sometimes attackers die when life is defended.

it ends in cultural relativism always that’s why I avoid these lines

in culture X, honor killings are a thing

Yea so slippery people believe that for sure

blah blah blah

But look, we can actually disagree on what’s moral and not if we don’t force other people to pay for the consequences of our own mistakes

Isn’t that lovely?

Come to the voice chat

how do we get people to stop paying for the decisions other people make?

because that’s still a thing

We don’t force them to

the government does

At the vet waiting room and lots of noise

Just leaving some thoughts here

They can if they want, and sometimes they’ll have to... we just don’t force them, especially in a way that relieves the mistake maker of all of the responsibility

Maybe you guys respond

Everyone wants total forgiveness

Imagine forcing me to pay for your murder

That would be nuts, but we do that all the time in smaller ways

well your tax money goes to support prisons