Atlas Shrugged is one approach, but impractical enough

if the goal is to talk about as many topics as possible then you guys are doing fine...I feel like some lines of reasoning don’t get anywhere and certain things are not clarified or improved

RE: voice chat

Heh

the college student also comes off as here’s my view and it’s right and better than yours

Try a few more before making that judgement 🙂

on the channel as a whole

I think it all boils down to the same few principles. And it’s the difference between parasitical and reciprocal expectations in society.

I do not expect to be a parasite. I expect to have to pay for every good and bad thing in my life

in hearing you guys talk I see so many chances to go elaborate and bring up something interesting but then you guys move on lol

like the drug/morality issue

the Christian guy said drug use is immoral

Point it out Ozy - I For one love to exhaust a line of discussion before going off on tangents.

Due diligence is always good

but is it immoral if the tax revenue from the sale of said drugs is used for social welfare programs? Up to what point is something “immoral” acceptable?

things like that

that was good

I was busy anyway so I could only listen

I think there was probably an abnormal amount of 'talking over' considering how few participants we had

and sometimes terms are introduced with no operational definition

like self ownership for instance

what exactly is that? owning “yourself”?

Drug use is certainly immoral. We don’t need to agree on that, but it’s funny how so many of us are forced to subsidize it

Why should I pay for other people’s drug use?

is it immoral if you’re in pain?

Sorry, I thought you were implying recreational* drug use.

why is drinking and cigarettes ok then?

marijuana is also becoming increasingly legalized

Legal doesn’t mean moral

The consequences of those choices shouldn’t be forcefully paid for by the productive people of society if the productive people of society have no say in the terms.

some would say gambling is immoral

So casinos shouldn’t exist in that case

It is immoral. We don’t typically subsidize people’s gambling habits.

Lying is immoral. We penalize it; it’s called fraud.

what’s your standard of immoral?

What’s yours?

is it immoral to kill a person?

It’s immoral to murder. It’s moral to defend life. Sometimes attackers die when life is defended.

it ends in cultural relativism always that’s why I avoid these lines

in culture X, honor killings are a thing

Yea so slippery people believe that for sure

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