Message from @StoneCold316

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2020-09-22 21:26:47 UTC  

However you wish to define.

2020-09-22 21:28:32 UTC  

Yes. Interesting. I have 1 Argument to support the statement that "Monarchies are better than democracies, because the Monarchs are more educated to take public office, because they are trained from young". Just saying. Just an intelectual argument

2020-09-22 21:28:59 UTC  

Yea. Also, All forms of actual on-ground democracy fail so often in the 4-5 criteria that you set

2020-09-22 21:29:15 UTC  

Yes, I agree

2020-09-22 21:29:17 UTC  

So really, I wonder if it’s even a sustainable model

2020-09-22 21:29:28 UTC  

Yes I wonder too.

2020-09-22 21:30:22 UTC  

Oftentimes ppl slander each other instead of debating ideas. Just saying. Whatever I say is in relationship with ideas not people 😛 Im not an imbecile. But I dont really mind if im slandered.

2020-09-22 21:30:55 UTC  

Anyway I believe that "Democracies are less likely to go at war with each other"

2020-09-22 21:31:16 UTC  

Argument 1 - There is more at stake than in an Dictatorship

2020-09-22 21:31:38 UTC  

I know you are - that discussion just went to a point where both of you were talking past each other and leading to frustration

2020-09-22 21:31:54 UTC  

😄 yea

2020-09-22 21:32:34 UTC  

Argument 2 - The mechanisms of declaring war are more difficult to achieve. - Achieveing consensus for war in a Democracy is harder

2020-09-22 21:33:44 UTC  

Argument 3 - Democracies tend to be economically interconected so people dont want war. Also, non-warring countries dont want war since they are also conected with democracies. Through trade and some other relationships

2020-09-22 21:35:37 UTC  

1. How is there more at stake? Actually more is at stake for the monarch (his empire, his land, his riches, his generations to come- all at stake)

2020-09-22 21:35:48 UTC  

Argument 4 - Democracies redirect resources harder for war than a dictatorship.

2020-09-22 21:36:03 UTC  

Sure, we can debate ^_^

2020-09-22 21:36:10 UTC  

2. Dondemocracies really wait for due process? Iraq war/ afghan war , one of them. Forgot which.

2020-09-22 21:36:14 UTC  

later great conversation

2020-09-22 21:36:32 UTC  

Do democracies *

2020-09-22 21:37:25 UTC  

4. Once decided to go to war, very monarch like SOPs are in play to mobilize forces.

2020-09-22 21:37:28 UTC  

Even in democracies

2020-09-22 21:37:30 UTC  

More at stake: more destruction. Democracies tend to be better financially and infrastructurally than Dictatorships. So more destruction

2020-09-22 21:37:45 UTC  

Harder to repair back

2020-09-22 21:37:56 UTC  

Stake is perceived loss by decision makers, not actual quantifiable loss.

2020-09-22 21:38:18 UTC  

A 50 store building is more expensive than a 10

2020-09-22 21:38:28 UTC  

Quantifiably more expensive yes?

2020-09-22 21:38:28 UTC  

No one does a cost benefit. Otherwise a lot of wars would not have happened. No?

2020-09-22 21:38:54 UTC  

Yes

2020-09-22 21:39:43 UTC  

If Germany went to war with France, it would be more destruction than Ghana and Uganda

2020-09-22 21:40:11 UTC  

Yea. For a neutral@observer. For Ghana every little bit they have is even more important

2020-09-22 21:40:29 UTC  

See what I@mean by perceived loss?

2020-09-22 21:40:30 UTC  

Yes. You are right

2020-09-22 21:40:53 UTC  

But it can be objectively cuantified also from a neutral standpoint in terms of monetary loss

2020-09-22 21:41:10 UTC  

Like after the war

2020-09-22 21:41:36 UTC  

Sure it can - just saying that is never a factor in deciding whether to go to war or not. Or almost never I should say. Because most times - not going to war saves more resources, yet that decision is not taken.

2020-09-22 21:41:48 UTC  

So something perceived to be bigger than the perceived loss is at play

2020-09-22 21:42:19 UTC  

Yes I totally agree! That is why argument 1 i believe works

2020-09-22 21:42:38 UTC  

Because as you said not going to war saves resources

2020-09-22 21:43:03 UTC  

Example. - revenge for 9/11 in going to afghan war and fear mongering leading to belief that US sovereign land is at risk if they don’t

2020-09-22 21:43:03 UTC  

And Democracies have more than dictatorships

2020-09-22 21:43:30 UTC  

That perceived gain was bigger than the perceived loss —— what would a neutral cost benefit analyzer conclude?