I think that the distinction here is public spaces. But to be honest our lives are limited in private as well.
To be frank, JP is under some insane 'maximal freedom all the time' type of philosophy that doesn't play out in the real world.

To me he is playing the game of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" and he thinks he won't get slugged in the gut anyway. at that point it doesn't matter who is right, it matters what we allow in our society.

Ok. But I’m just wondering if what I said would be a reasonable objection

Nothing about “rape” was an analogy. Rape was the reason I gave for why the analogy was a terrible one.

If you impose one rule to prevent a crime, don’t compare that to imposing a rule that doesn’t.

If carrying viruses is a crime, we can impose all sorts of tyranny on others.

Malachi, I love how “public” means “private” to you.

Public means public. Is there a space I can be free that’s not inside my own home?

Do you agree that there are two spaces, public and private?

Also, I just completed my school work for the week! Woot!

There are public spaces. We can’t commit crimes there, but we are free. All crimes boil down to infringing on someone else’s life or liberty.

You’re literally insane if you think carrying a virus is a crime. Or leads to crime.

And that it somehow justifies using force against non criminal, free, people in a public space.

Tyrant.

Do you agree that all tyrants felt justified in their reasons for tyranny?

Did you know that the word Tyrant only recently became negative.

Also my answer would be yes. People tend to justify their actions.

did you aska question that I missed?

This blew my mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG1YlF8PH9E

Does anybody really believe slip between 0 and 19 years of age there has been only 4 people that have died from covid-19 N20 with pre-existing conditions

> This blew my mind:
@dogbref
It's definitely much more likely to kill those with pre existing illness.

But for some reason people don't like the "fuck your grandpa, I want to go to the beach."

It would be more likely to kill me. I haven't done anything fun for a long time.

I also would like to point out that I am not a virologist. I am also not under the impression that my government wants me afraid of stuff. I'm not under the impression that there is a control feature here.

Virusologists also have split opinions.

It's a weird phenomenon in today's society. I don't argue with my Dentist about flossing. I don't argue with my mechanic about my brake pads. I don't argue with my pot dealer about growing weed (they are better). I don't argue (much) with tax preparers.

For some reason, everyone wants to argue about diseases.

I would like to be like you than.

Hey hey hey

Yo yo yo

If you're not skeptical of COVID you're not a skeptic! You have faith in authority. Government is your god.

Ok but what if I know people who have had covid?

People believe in the existence of Covid, but they dispute its severity.

> If you're not skeptical of COVID you're not a skeptic! You have faith in authority. Government is your god.
@Baal Diablo

It's not faith in authority. It's literally having no other options. I'll listen to the people that WE pay to do science, when it comes to matters of science.

Too bad the people we think we pay don't feel the same way.

There no such thing as virus ... until today 2020 they still dont know how work , so why anyone would trust them .....

Because many people die presenting the same symptoms. So "they" decided to implement measures that make less people die. Less people dieing is better than more people dieing. And yes, it seems "they" know a lot about the virus. They know more, not less than 5 months ago.

> Ok but what if I know people who have had covid?
@ola Then you haven't been skeptical of that claim.

I had it and didn't feel sick at all. And I know a lot of people in a similar position.

> @ola Then you haven't been skeptical of that claim.
@Baal Diablo how so?

> I had it and didn't feel sick at all. And I know a lot of people in a similar position.
@Yussuki ₪ how do you know you had it? Also, yes, it affects people differently, some (a significant percentage) are even asymptomatic, but the ones that get it bad get it real bad and perhaps die of course but also perhaps end up with long term consequences, some of which we dont yet know. I met a man yesterday who had a heart attack following recovery from covid, his cardiologist feels it was related, and another man who has a debilitating cough still left after spending April and May in the ICU. Another man has lost eyesight in one eye...how much do we even know about these cases?

I tested for Antibodies. Costs like 20 USD.

Amazing. Was that something you bought from the internet or your doctor did it?

I'm a doctor 😂 Everyone can do it in my country. Every lab does it. It's not that difficult.

But also not that failsafe? Is this the one that gives a certain percentage of false results?

There is always some percentage of false results in every test of any disease