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@JPMcGlone what is the salience of your statement?

He’s just saying that God isn’t super into anal. Oh well. It seems God is more into boobs and hips and stuff. Which porn categories does God choose? Does it sleet because he skeets? Many important unanswerable questions.

BAHAHA JESUS CHRIST KEITH

I bet Jesus likes tentacle porn.

Oh I bet. He’s definitely into really extreme bondage though....

jesus was an olive

Because he was stuck on a toothpick and eaten last?....

@ThePangburn In regards to the passage above about anal sex. Another fix for this would be to redefine modern relationships into something less monogamous. Sexual compatibility is important to me and many others. However this only becomes a serious issue when the assumption is to lead a life of strict monogamy, which is completely unnecessary.

I also see divorce rates a great sign of societal health, the more the better! Divorce is a signal that people understand their freedom and choice. You don't have to stay married!

@m.miller you love that word lol.

My comment was a “shrug” to comments about how one sin leads to other sins.

The level of rationalization of sin, and behaviors that lead to or indicate living in sin, that happen here are astounding.

I lived in SF for many years, I engaged in the sins and the discussions trying to justify sin. Once you turn from it, you feel gross for ever even having been there in the first place.

It’s like how many people feel after watching porn, except at a broader level.

I just see lots of mutual intellectual masturbation, and it really just all boils down to “sin loves sin” — it’s not as complicated as we sometimes make it.

And Malachi proposing we “redefine” relationships to something not monogamous.

Why don’t we change how red blood cells work, while we’re at it.

If you don’t understand that we are what we are for a reason, you can justify all sorts of dangerous things.

When society collapses and all the gay, homeless drug addicts who spend more time trying to convince their spouses to have anal sex than actually working are left to die or killed, they’ll still blame everyone but themselves.

Malachi’s words above are the ramblings of a broken person who has no idea what he’s talking about.

More divorce is not an indicator of a healthy society. Does he also believe that more dead people is an indicator of a healthy society?

Marriages are living, breathing organisms, and minds like his want nothing more than to see them dead.

Sad really. But we can all resist this flesh-centric, selfish way of life—if we stop serving the flesh and spending all our time justifying its desires instead of that which gave us this flesh to begin with.

I say God, but you can say Universe. The Universe is a better master than your flesh is, yet so many choose the flesh, which is why people like Malachi have no issue making slaves out of everyone else.

And we let people like him do that because deep down we hope that we can make others our slaves to serve our flesh, too.

Gotta break that cycle. It’s sick, and eventually, the rest of us will just say no and leave a whole portion of society to die, or worse/

See Atlas Shrugged. Also see the Crusades. Also see Sodom and Gomorrah.

I don't see your argument from Divine Command theory to be valid. Please remove those claims and try again.

I frankly no longer care what you think.

Then don't respond. I didn't comment to be preached at.

Take your own advice, sweetheart.

Can anyone else explain to me what is going on? I responded to Trav, and instead I get a guy that is comparing divorce to murder, but I'm the asshole?

JP. Your argument has no teeth. You have used a TON of words to say nothing at all. Your current way out of this is to tell us why we should care about your "Sin" concept. At this point it is an unfounded claim akin to "I like icecream."

Michael Sandel wrote a book called "Justice." It has some contribution about societal wellbeing from a religious perspective. I highly suggest you read it.

Until you can put together a cogent argument in which your God concept is useful I am not obliged to respond to it.

From this point on, I’ll read what Malachi writes, but I will not respond directly to him.

> From this point on, I’ll read what Malachi writes, but I will not respond directly to him.
@JPMcGlone You may return to responding to me at any time with no judgment.
I am merciful.

One sin tends to bring along more sins. I agree with that. Unless the individual rationalizes and changes his mind. Committing a sin while being aware of it and also recognizing your own weakness but still asking for divine help has more value than just sinning and never giving a dime on it.

Zino, the worst part is when we’ve justified a society that forces everyone else to pay the consequences of these sin. People like Malachi will deny its sin, then, when they force you to pay for it, literally call it “consent” — Malachi said in no unclear terms the other day that it doesn’t matter if I agree to giving drug addicts free, clean needles, that since I live in a society, society can force me to consent to paying for it.

How broken a mind do you need to conflate force and consent?

I wonder if we vote to legalize rape, if that’s just... forced consent. Actually, that’s literally the bizarreness of a show like Handmaids Tale.

Zino. You are doing the same thig that JP does. Please tell me why I should care about sin. Without that baseline, this is also preaching.

So sin begets sin, which then survives by forcing others to pay the costs of that sin.

There’s a strong case for disassociation (sodom and Gomorrah) and there’s a strong case for letting the weak and sinful choose to die or to choose the relationships they submit to (indentured servitude). The extreme is when people start making a case for killing the weak and sinful, but you can see how they might REACT that way after generations of being forced to pay the costs.

Let's start with the case for killing paedophile priests.

You guys are making assertions without bringing anyone with you. The defeater for divine command theory is simply not accepting it as valid.

People like malachi can only afford to not care about sin because their sin is paid for by the rest of society (and Christ, but we’ll avoid that route for now).

If it wasn’t, he would care about sin.

He’s probably pretty healthy and young, so he can pay a lot of the costs of his sin himself, but that won’t last, and the fact is, he isn’t paying for the sin he’s enabling in this world.

If every sinner paid the cost of their own sin, we wouldn’t have these issues. But they can’t; that’s literally the point. It’s basically by definition

Ola. I'm not for capitol punishment.

@JP I don't believe you. Please make an argument for your position.

Some people can imagine themselves as pedophiles and the thought of stripping a pedophile of his rights or life upsets them

That's a stupid thing to say.

^^ 😄

> That's a stupid thing to say.
@ola

I want to assign this to a hotkey, just to have it when I need it. 😄

I'm going for a walk. Back later.

True things are not stupid to say, Ola.

Some people do think that way

I didn’t say “all people” but I’ll note your reaction

Uh me busted a huge paedophile now.

That isn’t what I said

I think it’s clear that people who would like to get away with X, will help make sure people who do worse than X get away with that, too.

Besides, if people can get away with worse than x, then you surely can get away with X right? (I hope using variables in a point isn’t what loses ya)

My original point was : the religious have no greater claim to society than elected politicians or secular communities do - in fact, the religious have had their go at running societies for long enough, maybe it is time to try something else.