It’s a crime to us too

Malachi. You can choose not to care about sin. That is entirely your choice. I am willing to accept that in order for a society to function, some innocent people must pay the bills for the ones who sin. It doesn't matter me, if it's within a reasonable limit. A limit which we can all agree upon.

We are all sinners. Some of just constantly repent and try to do better. Others of us justify the sins

“Well I guess if everyone does it, it’s ok!” No

Zino, charity is different from theft

Yea

God pays for all sin, and through His grace, we are here at all.

So yes, we are called to give charity and to pay the cost of sin: it’s called forgiveness

But taxes are not theft.

But you cannot force me to forgive.

Yawn

Yes

Taxes aren’t theft. It’s government

Redistribution of wealth isn’t taxes though 😉 that’s theft, if done by force

I want to only get rid of programs that take money from person a and give it to people b. Welfare programs for instance

I’d rather us pay for the facility that welfare recipients must stay in, then to just give it to them

That facility is wealth and can be used by anyone

Who might need to rely on others to live

The wicked believe they can force to you pay for their sins, and give nothing in return.

Christ gave his life for our sin, and all he asks for in return is our faith. It’s beautiful if you get it. But I think many people see it as a shallow story. The symbolism is lost on them

By Sins, you mean illegal activities which may incidentally fall into immoral behavior , as defined within a Christian framework ?

As a man, I will die for my wife if need be. All I ask is for her faithfulness

Sins are crimes against god, and for reasons, lead to no good

Masturbating all day isnt a sin because it hurts others

It’s a sin because it serves the flesh, and leads to no good

Many people are functional sinners

"Functional sinners" - that's cool expression

We can repent and get rid of the sins anyway

The difference between serving in a way that pleases your flesh vs. serving in a way that pleases god is tremendous.

God is Truth is Good. You are serving God more by flollicking in a grassy field yelling “thank you!” than you are sitting in the dark masturbating (even if you say thank you)

Actually, most people feel some guilt right after they’re done at their computer... and that’s for a reason

Yes but repent is embodied, not just stated

“But I said I’m sorry” loses its effect after the 100th time

Gotta run, ttyl

I agree. Eloquently put.

I just read the rest of this chat. Besides the preaching, the substantial pieces have been either debunked, or are unjustified assertions.

The religious community has a difficult task. You guys seem to think that this "sin" word is important. You need to show me why it is important. I have read works that attempt this, it is possible to do. Best of luck.

The word is not that important. The action of sinning bears more significance. For example, stealing the food from an orphanage is an important sin. Or , if some1 doesn't like the word "sin", he can swap it with "crime". Is this convincing enough that that sin is significant enough to call it important? 😛

Is having sex outside of your marriage partner a crime?

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

Only if you do it right.

Heyooo

"Sin" or "jihad" when used honestly reflect a personal ethical conflict. As used above, what utter fraud and bigotry based bull fucking shit.

Pedophilia per se is NEVER legitimately criminal. It's a psych condition that in some minority of cases may drive molestation, but usually not. When politically classified in criminal codes, that reflects fraud based on bigotry and pushing hot buttons of deranged mental midgets.

Age of consent laws reflecting homophobic prejudices or lawyer bright lines of majority, rather than human developmental norms for 17 to be median age of first consensual partner sex (which means half of normal teens are younger), amount to civil and human rights violations, or conspiracy therein (Federal felonies 18 USC 241 & 242 in US law, were it possible to enforce that against politicians, preachers, judges, and related conspirators).

Civil and human rights law necessarily protect extreme boundaries of conduct that isn't legitimately criminal, or that reflects controversial issues of conflicting social values. That necessarily protects some practices hate cults try to oppress others over merely due to fraudulent abuse of cult dogma, and other practices that may be emotionally or otherwise unhealthy, but don't harm victims. Much of the above discussion reflects people who are grossly functionally illiterate in those issues, or trying to rationalize devious frauds that are meant to oppress rights of others.

> Is having sex outside of your marriage partner a crime?
@Malachi
Is marriage itself a crime, along with marriage laws, either:

1) when codified in laws that try to fraudulently legitimatize human slave trade and sex trafficking (eg, when used to treat a daughter as property of a father sold or transferred to a husband)?

2) when used as an excuse for bigotry based "adultery" laws whose origins are based in treatment of wives as chattel, and adultery as akin to milking a neighbor's cow, or borrowing his lawn mower, without permission of the owner?

3) when defined as structural bigotry, that favors prejudices or rituals of some religions or cultures, to the oppression or subjugation of others (as all binary and non-open marriage laws do)?