In the sense that cultural appropriation is bad

Meant to send that after my first message

Of course. It has the capacity to be bad. Are you making the claim that it is always maximizing the wellbeing of yourself and others? You can’t imagine any scenario when it wouldn’t be?

Right now I couldn’t imagine any circumstance where it could be bad

Hm okay. I’ll give it a try but you have to try too. Imagine you’re a kid in the 30’s watching cartoons and all the people you know personally are white. You see on the majority of the cartoons black people being portrayed as lazy stupid thieves. And you see native Americans as savage and wild drunks. This is a “negative stereotype” that informs your impressions of these cultures you know nothing about. This could result in you having fears and distrust towards cultures that may not be warranted. This could be bad.

I mean in today’s society

So you’re claiming it used to exist. But has been completely removed. When was it completely wiped out?

@kcon415 Umm cultural appropriation and stereotyping have nothing to do with each other.

Explain that please

Think about it, I dont have to point it out to you.

If you’re going to chime in you should at least engage the neurons a little.

Appropriation, which does not exist anyway, is defined as adopting dress, mannerisms, and parting of things outside the cultural paradigm one is in.

Stereotyping is making base assumptions of whole groups of behavior based on observations of people within that group, regardless of positive or negative attributes.

So as you see, one has nothing to do with the other, because definitions actually matter.

So you’re going the “it’s a social construct, therefore is not real” route, in a conversation about culture? Is this correct?

I didn't say that

What you are saying is very curious to me. You’re giving a definition of something cultural, and at the same time claiming it doesn’t exist. You’re acting like it’s a waste of your time to explain this. I’m trying to see what your claim is and you’re just saying nu uh.

If I wear a Sombrero, I'd be accused of cultural appropriation. However, its just wearing a Sombrero. No appropriation, just wearing a hat.

So thats how it not real.

So cultures don’t change and evolve simply by witnessing attributes of other cultures and appropriate them as their own? It happens all the time. It is real. The SJW example you gave is an example of a poor choice to find offense. This doesn’t negate the existence of the appropriation phenomenon that has been happening since the dawn of cultures.

Cultures blend, thats true. Appropriation implies malice. The US is a melting pot and the cultures have weaved together which is natural in a culturally diverse country.

If you find offense of people engaging in culture, you're the problem.

If we could shed our SJW derangement syndrome for a moment and agree on that, then maybe we could take a look at something else. When is it ok? Is it ever ok? Is it ever offensive? We could look too extreme cases on both sides and see that there can be an element of both sides. Then we can whittle down to the nuances and find we have tools to change minds of people that sit on their extremes and refuse to budge. Just maybe.

That is if you’re dealing with someone that gives a shit.

Its just so observation, buts its mostly white people who get bent out of shape over supposed appropriation and the people within the supposed appropriated culture normally don't care too much.

Maybe so. I know a lot of native Americans that take it pretty seriously, but also try to be pretty reasonable about it. There are actually laws around selling certain crafts and headdresses as traditional. I could understand being a little annoyed at seeing the big nosed red face thing everywhere.

I’m extremely concerned with the SJW ideology and how much it’s spreading through our society. I want to combat these ideas. I’m seeing them rioting and saying “this is everywhere and it’s never ok!!” I think it’s powerful to be able to respond with “ oh I can see where this could be bad, but also here are some examples that are definitely good”. I feel it’s too reactionary to just make the bold claim that their is absolutely no truth or validity to their perspectives. This is extreme, and only causes the interlocutor to double down on their own extremism’s.

I would argue that cultural appropriation as a concept didn't creep into the public consciousness until the social justice ideologues started screeching about it like wild banshees

Interesting. Yeah that appears to be somewhat true. According to Wikipedia the term emerged in the 80’s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation#Academic_study

Some of the text in there talks about when a large population adopts cultural elements from a small population, it can be damaging to preservation of that culture. In certain examples, I believe that would be useful to acknowledge and try to avoid. In general, it’s always going to be happening on some level. It’s a natural and unavoidable part of human evolution. I’m ok with that.

It came out of the critical theorist grievance studies...of course of course. Bloody postmodernists

I’m considering the analogy of species for example. Back in the day we didn’t care at all about different species. We had no concept that it may be immoral to trample all over other species and eradicate them. Many cultures and cultural elements have been snuffed out through the years. We aren’t forcing Native children into Christian camps anymore, that’s a good thing. I do see value in making an effort now to try to preserve some of the cultures that are still around that didn’t get fully snuffed out.

Maybe when Mr Peterson will reach 1 bilion dollars he will finally be honest with himself.

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