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Paradox of Perfection

1. If God exists, then He's perfect
2. If God exists, He is the creator of the universe
3. Perfect beings must create perfect things
4. The universe is not perfect
5. There's no God

It's what a lot of these arguments and lofty metaphorical statements about the nature of God sound like

Why is there only one well known low IQ society (MENSA, 98th percentile), but 4 "Triple 9'er" groups, that argue viciously about valid metrics for -g- ?

In the pinch around Sigma 4, how many people who make claims of sexism in high intellectual demand jobs, realize or admit there are 5 times as many men as women?

There is no “if god exists then”

The understanding is that God is the source of creation. Not “god the man in the sky”

“That which allows for existence is God”

Your premises are flawed; make no sense.

You cannot talk about “existence” without first assuming existence exists

Also, “the universe is not perfect” puts you in the chair of God if you’re deciding that. Perfect by what standard? It’s exactly as it is.

@LokiV I don’t understand almost any of that.

@JPMcGlone hop in vc in an hour let’s have a discussion

I can’t, very busy morning. I would like to, but I can’t today

> @LokiV I don’t understand almost any of that.
@StoneCold316
Write some R code, or any other (non-freeware) statistical modelling language, to import sex and IQ data, and plot the comparative values for the Sigma 2 to 5 or above range.

It's not a result most misandrist lawyers or politicians or "Critical Theory" scammers want to have widely known.

Do you have any understanding of the intent of Stanford-Binet or Wechsler to attempt to approximate "general intelligence" (-g-), or the kinds of differences that become more significant in the extreme upper scale end?

I was trying to illustrate that that argument is obviously fallacious, but it's the same domino game that arguments for God consist of. None of the points made about god follow from the premises

I can prove that gods exist.....

But, I get to define gods as the neurobiological human responses to iconography, fantasies, mental masturbation, or delusions, that people demonstrably experience in their various ritual or nutcase practices.

Andrew Newberg at Penn and many of his colleagues have done some interesting research that supports that approach. It's also supported by pervasive neuropeptide models of humans.

@LokiV - no, I haven’t the faintest idea. What are the kinds of differences that become more significant in the extreme upper scale end.?

> @LokiV - no, I haven’t the faintest idea. What are the kinds of differences that become more significant in the extreme upper scale end.?
@StoneCold316

Over Sigma 3-5 range, the male:female ratio grows into ratios in the 3:1 to 5:1 range, before the very upper tail reflects such tiny numbers of deviant intelligence people are hard to summarize. That has some serious consequences in business, science and engineering as well as management, and tweaks the whole notion of equal partners in relationships.

There are also more complex race and IQ patterns than assumed Bell Curves would suggest, including for blacks a semi-barbell, with a seriously depressed mean IQ that drags down the whole USA compared to Asia or the overall world (but Africa has many pathetic countries), but a disproportionate number of seriously intelligent blacks with an elevated upper tail compared to Normal distribution.

I've known researchers who get attacked with criminal gang backed death threats for publishing honest research, where it seems now the SJW/psychobitch factions are trying to compete with Christian Identity or militant black factions as criminals. In some cases what would seem to be innocuous meta-studies get moved into biohazard science facilities for their security layers, while even grant writers and office staff get forced to live in hiding for periods of years.

Holy moly

Don’t know what any of that has to do with religion

But it’s not like I can really understand any of that to determine if it’s even about religion

OK Cupid data scientists did some interesting demographic analysis, back in the days before they sold out to IAC/I mega-corp.

Noting the usual statistical conditions many people mangle, there are strong intelligence, race, and religion trends that show up in their disguised personality and IQ and other tests. Big surprise, atheists, pagans, Buddhists, and some flavors of Jews, seriously top the list, while Catholics are below white Protestants, and black Protestants WAY down there.

What that means for personal relationships or larger society tends to be more complex.

And girls who say they like beer, tend to be more interested in sex than others. Is that more pragmatic or esoteric compared to all that other stuff? ;-p

Thank you Loki I get what you’re getting at now

I am a big member and supporter of the small words club

Small word easy understand

Also of note on OKC and some other sites that use gamified MBTI variants, the most common personality temperaments tend to be inclined towards social cliques of arrogant bullies, whereas the splinter uncommon types tend to be more concerned about civil rights and prtecting diversity.

@BobbyMack how do you have premises without first assuming existence exists? This was Ayn Rand’s first principle.

All she didn’t do was assume the premise that existence exists by some means. That means, whatever it is, is all we are calling God.

There must be a means by which existence exists, yes?

Nope

The means by which existence exists is consciousness

You believe existence stops existing if we can’t perceive it? Why would you believe that?

Ofc not.

Consciousness beyond human comprehension. Human Consciousness is just a small part of the Universal Consciousness. Which is not materialistic in nature, but can manifest materially, through the uncreated energies of God.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/04/business/pope-francis-market-capitalism/index.html

For the neo liberal dogmatics out there.

I don’t really care what Pope Francis thinks

Really? I sort of do. Even though I'm an atheist, he is a head honcho to many Christian's.

About a billion.

I'm not Buddhist. But the dalai lama has some good nuggets on occasion

Technically, about a billion people should be trying to overthrow capitalism now. Let's see if they do!

I hope they do. Neo liberalism is destroying humanity.

It should be pretty easy if they all work together.

"The encyclical, called "Fratelli Tutti," or "Brothers All," reiterated the pope's vision for a more communal society, which extends to the use of private property."

"...The Christian tradition has never recognized the right to private property as absolute or inviolable..."

That there's revolutionary talk!

I don't think there is a right to private property either.