Message from @kaizen
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> Hey @ola Trump responded more like a kind human being to the news of RBG’s death than you did to the news of him testing positive for COVID.
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> But you wouldn’t know that because in your own words: “Out of respect for her, I didn’t listen to his comment.”
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> The hatred boiling up in the hearts of the left is really sad. I hope he recovers well! And I’m sure he will.
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> Remember, they are tested ROUTINELY. They likely test positive before any symptoms occur.
@JPMcGlone
I'm not required to be polite about him. I wish people would understand that.
Nevertheless, I've been fairly polite. Note the word "sadly" and the consideration I've given to his good chances of being fine.
As for "hatred" and "left" -- irrelevant.
> @Katelyn he literally never said coronavirus is a liberal hoax. He said much of the news around coronavirus is a hoax, and it is. He said a lot of the news around how he’s dealt with coronavirus is a hoax, and it is.
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> And you’re just proving his point.
@JPMcGlone Sure, you're right that he was saying about the media coverage of it, not coronavirus itself. But the implication was that the media is lying or exaggerating about covid, when they were actually reporting it accurately while he was telling egrious lies downplaying it. This made a lot of his followers not take it seriously, and a considerable chunk of the right wing does (or at least did) believe that the coronavirus was a conspiracy, and he certainly wasn't helping that cause. He has continued to spread misinformation about covid, which has created confusion (especially during the critical early stages). He has created a moronic cultural war about wearing masks, one of the few things on our power to control the spread with extensive evidence for its efficacy even coming from his own administration - he's gone back and forth on masks, but even in that clip of the debate, he's mocking and shaming people for taking precautions when any respectable leader would be encouraging that. He's continued to host large rallies where many of his supporters don't wear masks.
We do need peope to start taking this seriously so that another 100k Americans don't fucking die. Trump supporters are a major source of people flouting mask mandates / social distancing measures and propagating misinformation. I think this is the only thing that *might* change their behavior at this point. I don't wish ill upon him in the sense that I wish we could have achieved people taking it seriously through some other means, but if this is the way it has to be then so be it.
Donald Trump is literally the biggest source of covid misinofrmation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/evanega-et-al-coronavirus-misinformation-submitted-07-23-20-1/080839ac0c22bca8/full.pdf
NYT is nothing even approaching a reputable source
> NYT is nothing even approaching a reputable source
@Delta
The Grey Lady sure ain't what she used to be, but their Covid coverage has been pretty good, limited mainly by the issues of medicine on hyperdrive doing research, and political tampering at both some states, and Federal, levels. The Federal tampering is exclusively blood on the hands of one and only one malignant narcissist.
A relative used to work for Dr. Fauci developing ELISA tests years ago, and there seems to be good reason to give his ability to deal with leading edge biomed and the politics of funding a functional agency, a lot of credit.
The truth is incredibly few people have died, compared to older pandemics. That's largely due to antibiotics advancing, and most historic deaths not being viral, but secondary infections in already compromised people.
The way humans have overpopulated the planet and done our best to trash ecosystems, maybe it'd be desirable to see a few billion die off? Same with wars, that fail that herd culling function if one or both sides have key forces in remote air conditioned video game play centers.
> Donald Trump is literally the biggest source of covid misinofrmation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/evanega-et-al-coronavirus-misinformation-submitted-07-23-20-1/080839ac0c22bca8/full.pdf
@Katelyn
Says the NYT
Also you do realize that Trump has experts right. Give me one instance when Trump went against Fauci
> @Katelyn
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> Says the NYT
Says expert researchers at Cornell University.
> Also you do realize that Trump has experts right. Give me one instance when Trump went against Fauci
@JPMcGlone
Here's an instance: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/11/fauci-trump-coronavirus/
@JPMcGlone in the debate with Biden trump literally argued that masks don’t work when multiple studies have shown that they reduce the rate of infection
There have been so many studies and statements made by medical officials that say that if people wore masks then the infection spread rate would decrease drastically
@JPMcGlone I'm just seeing this, give me a little bit to sort it out.
@LokiV calling someone a halfwit bigoted jerk IS an ad hominem. We don't allow those here. I'll be sending you a DM.
> in the debate with Biden trump literally argued that masks don’t work
@kaizen The only section I remember on this was Trump saying "I have a mask right here, (I wear it when I need to)" and refering to Biden's mask as "ridiculous, the biggest mask youve ever seen"
> @kaizen The only section I remember on this was Trump saying "I have a mask right here, (I wear it when I need to)" and refering to Biden's mask as "ridiculous, the biggest mask youve ever seen"
@drenath
Fine, but you have to at least acknowledge that Trump has been extremely inconsistent on masks in spite of the fact that all of the scientific evidence points towards them being an important tool. Literally two weeks ago: "A lot of people say that masks aren't good..." and then describes waiters touching their masks and then touching plates. "A lot of people said don't wear masks." "The concept of masks is good but you're constantly touching it. There's a lot of peopel who don't think masks are good."
See: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/trumps-abc-news-town-hall-trump-responds-question-73036468
Those statements are why this was coming up in the debate. Any leader with a basic level of competence would be promoting things that help people stay safe and get covid under control. Instead he chose focus on mocking Biden for wearing a mask - literally the exact opposite of what he should be doing. Now, his own irresponsibility has directly put other people at risk, including, Biden who was near him at the debates even though Trump was aware that he may have been exposed.
Also, there's no evidence for his comments - this notion that touching your face with a mask on is somehow spreading covid. He's literally just making that up.
> you have to at least acknowledge that Trump has been extremely inconsistent on masks
@Katelyn
I don't know why anyone would look to Trump as an authority on mask-wearing anyway, but I've seen evidence in both directions.
@drenath What do you think about the fact that the president of the United States is an untrustworthy source of information on matters about basic health and safety? If you support him, how do you reconcile that?
He's not a doctor. I wouldn't ask Obama about my computer problems.
Doesn’t matter if he isn’t a doctor
But he undeniably has a lot of power and influence - people listen to the things he says, and he's very aware of that and abusing that power. It would be one thing if he just said "Idk, I'm not a doctor. You should listen to Fauchi." But that's not what he's doing. Do you think that this shows good leadership?
If your claim is that Trump talks too much and is loose with facts, we're in agreement.
Do you support him?
His influence over the country makes it a responsibility on him to deliver accurate information
I'm not sure what "support" means. I didn't vote for him.
People are saying he’s a sort of vessel
He's a vessel for Kamala Harris. Cuz I'm betting he gets 25thd in the first year.
Personally no. It sort of seems like the Trump was thinking Sanders was going to win and didn't bother to change his oppo prep. It doesn't seem like a real argument to me - it seems like they just have much else to criticize about Biden because he has such a great reputation for being moderate and working acrosss the isle.
Is there any evidence to suggest this?
I mean, if this is even what a majority of Democrats wanted, why Biden overwhelmingly win the primaries, especially after all the other moderate candidates dropped out?
A big standout was him not calling out the violence until it started to effect his campaign
He is an somewhat awkward situation with calling out violence, and I wish he would do it more too. But leftists I know really hate both Biden and Harris. I'm not sure what level of organization you think this is happening on, but leftists certainly aren't aware of that plan.
Do you agree with the “anything but trump” or “well do anything to vote him out” mentality? @Katelyn
Sort of. It seems to be mixed amongst folks on the far left. There's some that are "Bernie or Busters" and others who are saying that they're willing to bite the bullet and unethusiastically vote for Biden because they see Trump as actively dangerous to out democracy (and I agree with them on that).
FWIW, I think Biden does a much better job an uneviocably denouncing violence on the left, compared to Trump who fumbles with denouncing the Proud Boys and other right wint millitia groups. And I can understand why he isn't really aiming to launch in to talking about violence when an overwhelming majority of those protests were peaceful and for an important cause. Drawing attention to a few bad actors that are inevitable with protests on that large of a scale seems like it would be very harmful to the movement without much benefit.
Also, the violence on right vs left are not equivalent. I'm not familiar with any left wing millitia groups who are organized, collecting weapons, and actively talking about "race wars", "succession", etc.
Proud Boys are not right wing militia. Also you say right wing militia like it's a bad thing.
sorry
They're certainly contributing to violence, no?