that's an EXTREMELY controversial claim

"consent regardless of age" is an extremely controversial claim

I made an important distinction tho in my follow up

@Zurich04 id argue it is in both because the child doesn’t have the ability to make a decision like that

Also underaged sex is illegal, so if 2 minors were caught do they both get prosecuted

theoretically yes but in reality no

Under criminal law it should be considered rape perhaps. I’m just trying to rationalize on the spot so bare with me

> @Zurich04 id argue it is in both because the child doesn’t have the ability to make a decision like that
@kaizen they have

but you're playing two games at once, because then you still have to say that he doesn't deserve to go to prison if he doesn't pay

because if he goes to prison, he's (indirectly) criminally responsible for something he didn't consent to

Perhaps it can be true simultaneously that he was rapped but still has the civil responsibility to assist in the raising of the child

How much is child support anyway?

I don’t think that responsibility applies when he didn’t consent to conceiving the child

Let's all hop into voice.

Aww but text is so fun sometimes

how come two minors would have to go to prison, since they both don't have the ability to make a decision like that?

Im at school rn too

So I can’t vc

I’m about to run too

I’ll hop on vc in a little bit

> I don’t think that responsibility applies when he didn’t consent to conceiving the child
@kaizen I would disagree there. You have a responsibility for the child you bear regardless of circumstance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer for reference

How do you justify that?

@Zurich04

@Zurich04 what time is on your clock?

In my part of the world it's half past 9 pm

Oof

I think it’s a necessity for a society to hold that position in order to function kaizen

It’s 3:30 pm here

12:30

West coast US

Damn lucky you guys

I’d disagree slightly

https://youtu.be/WrK7h2b4Uhs

It’s necessary to uphold that principle when the child is a product of consensual sex

Not in instances where one party doesn’t consent

What if the consenting party is unable to raise the child? (idk if that was the case in this case but that’s just a question)

It would also be a deterrent against female predators

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@Zurich04 then it would depend on circumstances. For example, was protection used and the child still conceived?

That’s probably a big one