You're the one making the truth claim so you have the burdennof proof.

you kinda cop out

there

> You're the one making the truth claim so you have the burdennof proof.
@m.miller I dont if my truth will be shown regardless

Demonstrate that it will be shown

Feel in yourself how carefree you can be about that statement. Imagine for a moment the consequences of an adult male raping a 12 year old girl and having her go to prison for it, whether indirectly or not

There’s like 2 debates going on at once right now lol

yeah it's getting iffy

It’s not rape if it was consensual regardless of age imo

> There’s like 2 debates going on at once right now lol
@T2the2ndpowr

Laws like that in that situation are biased against men from what I’ve seen

Double standards

Under criminal law sure, under civil maybe not

that's an EXTREMELY controversial claim

"consent regardless of age" is an extremely controversial claim

I made an important distinction tho in my follow up

@Zurich04 id argue it is in both because the child doesn’t have the ability to make a decision like that

Also underaged sex is illegal, so if 2 minors were caught do they both get prosecuted

theoretically yes but in reality no

Under criminal law it should be considered rape perhaps. I’m just trying to rationalize on the spot so bare with me

> @Zurich04 id argue it is in both because the child doesn’t have the ability to make a decision like that
@kaizen they have

but you're playing two games at once, because then you still have to say that he doesn't deserve to go to prison if he doesn't pay

because if he goes to prison, he's (indirectly) criminally responsible for something he didn't consent to

Perhaps it can be true simultaneously that he was rapped but still has the civil responsibility to assist in the raising of the child

How much is child support anyway?

I don’t think that responsibility applies when he didn’t consent to conceiving the child

Let's all hop into voice.

Aww but text is so fun sometimes

how come two minors would have to go to prison, since they both don't have the ability to make a decision like that?

Im at school rn too

So I can’t vc

I’m about to run too

I’ll hop on vc in a little bit

> I don’t think that responsibility applies when he didn’t consent to conceiving the child
@kaizen I would disagree there. You have a responsibility for the child you bear regardless of circumstance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer for reference

How do you justify that?

@Zurich04

@Zurich04 what time is on your clock?

In my part of the world it's half past 9 pm

Oof

I think it’s a necessity for a society to hold that position in order to function kaizen