Message from @ola

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2020-09-28 07:29:16 UTC  

Well Trump did pay taxes first off.

2020-09-28 07:31:25 UTC  

Nominal.

2020-09-28 07:31:32 UTC  

Have you ran through different reasons as to why Trump may have tweeted that?

2020-09-28 07:32:24 UTC  

I spend no time trying to justify anything Trump tweets, because life is too short for his crap?

2020-09-28 07:32:37 UTC  

And if Trump paid his fair share according to the law, then it is not Trumps fault it is a problem with the law.

2020-09-28 07:32:59 UTC  

Sure.

2020-09-28 07:33:11 UTC  

Thats no good reason to say "Sam's right"...

2020-09-28 07:33:45 UTC  

You're essentially admitting your cynicism.

2020-09-28 07:34:01 UTC  

He is right about questioning the sort of person Trump is.

2020-09-28 07:34:31 UTC  

That's a red herring. I'm addressing the specific tweet.

2020-09-28 07:35:06 UTC  

The tweet? The one that says "imagine being the sort of person who...."

2020-09-28 07:38:32 UTC  

There are major defects in US tax law, but that's not the major issue with Trump.

2020-09-28 07:41:41 UTC  

Trump tweets a daily mail article, tweet says low number pay taxes DESPITE CRIPPLING DEBT....what's his point?!

2020-09-28 07:42:28 UTC  

Based on investigative work reported on several years ago and earlier, it's pretty clear Trump set up pro forma operators of fake business plan Trump branded businesses, and perpetrated some large securities frauds in debt for equity swaps using fraudulent valuations. The consequences of that include ripping off investors, and masking major business losses that if honestly reported, would have resulted in large tax liabilities, and more Trump company and likely an actual personal bankruptcy, as he didn't have the cash to pay those obligations he used frauds to hide.

2020-09-28 07:42:30 UTC  

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2020-09-28 07:49:12 UTC  

The fake valuation debt-equity swaps are complex, and difficult to prosecute without cooperation across agencies regulating different facets of those civil frauds and crimes, and private parties with standing in various Trump operations.

Trump now seems to be using official immunity (that has limits he's our first President ever to test as he's done) and legal delaying tactics, hoping to age out Statute of Limitations issues on key parts of that. He's also paid many civil damage settlements, and even has a team of "fixer" lawyers, from Melania Knavss's porn model work as an illegal alien, to cam girls and strippers he's fucked, to more mundane business frauds.

Of note, one major accounting firm used by Trump declined to make the usual accuracy certifications found on such documents, but rather added a disclaimer that it was unable to certify some of its work as accurate.

2020-09-28 07:58:23 UTC  

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More than likely Trump's lawyers and accountants delivered tax returns that accurately claim some twisted but no more illegal than what the IRS itself often pulls, interpretation of relevant 26 USC & CFR provisions, but based on assumptions that far larger underlying massive frauds and crimes are buried in complex financial scams that obviously were perpetrated in his case, but are hard to convict.

Is a parking ticket or a series of felony charges more serious, if the felony charges either can't be proven, or are too complex for legal process to enforce to match the actual facts?

2020-09-28 08:02:23 UTC  

Consider that maybe everything Trump tweets is a red herring. He's trolling us.

2020-09-28 08:04:29 UTC  

Misdirection. A very important skill in some fields!

2020-09-28 08:04:36 UTC  

A Twitter war by a nutcase is a reminder to watch what was done, not what is said. However, people who look to Twitter for their news on that kind of issues that are multi-thousand person projects (post-Doc forensic accounting, securities and tax law, and many support roles), may be trying to evade what's involved in actually doing serious analysis.

2020-09-28 08:13:20 UTC  

Is it possible to get Trump into prison for enough years before he dies, to watch his narcissist self-image be publicly shredded, and the ill gotten gains transferred to his wives and kids asset forfeited or paid in fines or damages?

2020-09-28 08:13:54 UTC  

I have a birthday coming up. I'll use my wish.

2020-09-28 08:14:26 UTC  

Happy Schadenfreude Day!

2020-09-28 11:25:07 UTC  

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2020-09-28 11:25:59 UTC  

For the first time in his life?

2020-09-28 12:18:54 UTC  

> For the first time in his life?
@ola Cynicism.. 🧐

2020-09-28 12:22:12 UTC  

@ola when’s your birthday?

2020-09-28 12:22:37 UTC  

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2020-09-28 13:20:39 UTC  

You can’t assume guilt and then work backwards no matter how much you hate someone or how obvious you think someone’s guilt is based on an anecdote here and an anecdote there (or even bits and pieces of facts). I don’t care about trump or feel anything towards him - helps being rational?

2020-09-28 13:43:07 UTC  

> @ola Cynicism.. 🧐
@ThePangburn Hey, did he ever get that 70mill refund he asked for?

2020-09-28 14:08:19 UTC  

> @ola when’s your birthday?
@kaizen

2020-09-28 15:08:06 UTC  

The man paid the amount akin to a good salary for a hard working American ($70k) salary to get his fucking hair done and tried to write it off as a business expense. But then average Joe is going to say he's working for the people.

Do people not know that taxes pay for other things? For example that money can educate 70 children for one year. I thin that people on the right will see his tax breaks as "winning." They see tax as theft, and dodging taxes is seen as some sort of Robin Hood bullshit.

2020-09-28 15:41:29 UTC  

Maybe Trump's haircuts were cheap!

France's Socialist President Pays Nearly $11,000 A Month For Haircuts

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/14/486003503/frances-socialist-president-pays-nearly-11-000-a-month-for-haircuts?t=1601307519640

2020-09-28 15:41:52 UTC  

Bloody hell id want a refund if my hair looked like that

2020-09-28 15:42:39 UTC  

Still though, I don’t see why it’s anyone’s business as long as the money paid to the hair dressers is their own money

2020-09-28 15:42:42 UTC  

Hollande is not French President. Macron is

2020-09-28 15:42:57 UTC  

2016 report